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korg128 03-19-2020 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 3001044)
Its also that single fleet type that will help SWA and Spirit survive this, by not having massive training costs in displacements.

I can’t imagine people taking the VLOA with no credit. When they don’t get enough takers, I’d imagine they would have to strike a deal for paid VLOA; its the easiest way to shed near term
costs, without the costs of furlough.

Just curious but what are the costs of furlough? As well no bennies with a furlough?

69fastback 03-19-2020 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by korg128 (Post 3004602)
Just curious but what are the costs of furlough? As well no bennies with a furlough?

it costs the company a lot to furlough. Hard to put an exact number on it, but it’s a lot.

Kerizbro 04-01-2020 06:43 PM

Can you take a voluntary leave and request the first class once available?

Balker 04-02-2020 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by 69fastback (Post 3004608)
it costs the company a lot to furlough. Hard to put an exact number on it, but it’s a lot.

Can you explain how did you come up with “a lot”? I don’t see how furloughs can cost NK money. Downgrading captains for us would require some sim requal, but we own them and they’ll be underused anyways.

Silver02ex 04-02-2020 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Balker (Post 3020722)
Can you explain how did you come up with “a lot”? I don’t see how furloughs can cost NK money. Downgrading captains for us would require some sim requal, but we own them and they’ll be underused anyways.

Because downgrade causes displacements. I was displayed once at my last airline. It cost the company almost $10,000 for a commercial company to move our stuff and broken lease fees.

symbian simian 04-02-2020 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 3020769)
Because downgrade causes displacements. I was displayed once at my last airline. It cost the company almost $10,000 for a commercial company to move our stuff and broken lease fees.

And if I get downgraded and they furlough a second year FO they save $20K per month just in salary, never mind healthcare and other contributions.

Balker 04-02-2020 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 3020769)
Because downgrade causes displacements. I was displayed once at my last airline. It cost the company almost $10,000 for a commercial company to move our stuff and broken lease fees.

Let me guess, that was a regional right? Just basic numbers will tell you how much 500 downgraded captains will save the company on a 3-month period. Again, I’m not saying furloughs are happening, but they would save the company lots of dough.

Silver02ex 04-02-2020 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Balker (Post 3021206)
Let me guess, that was a regional right? Just basic numbers will tell you how much 500 downgraded captains will save the company on a 3-month period. Again, I’m not saying furloughs are happening, but they would save the company lots of dough.

Yes that was a regional, it still doesn’t change the fact that displacing pilots still has a cost which I pointed out. Furlough and downgrade may or may not be the best outcome for the company. It depends how long they want to do it for.

Qotsaautopilot 04-02-2020 04:38 PM

I’d bet not many displaced would actually move. Also, my guess is they will not pay the furlough pay in the contract. Furloughs at a single fleet carrier aren’t that expensive and if you bring guys back relatively quickly my guess is it’s a short course

FLYBOYMATTHEW 04-02-2020 08:51 PM

Why do they even need to do a short course? Warmup and PC for up to 1 year furlough. At least that's how it was done last time around.


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