I think we are a little naive if we think downsizing isn’t coming . I feel spirit is in a better spot than most airlines, but traffic is down significantly and although we are ramping up for the summer , the fall is usually slow, and throw in a uptick in the virus, I can’t see how we aren’t immune from a possible furlough. Fast forward 3 years and I feel we will be fine .. but a furlough of the bottom 200-400 doesn’t seem far fetched. The 3 year upgrade and 50 new hires a month is so 6 months ago. It a new normal IMHO

I bet they cut the bottom 100 or so and cover any further need with voluntary stuff and VIL’s.

For the sake of discussion, why bother then if it’s only 100? That’s a tiny percentage of their pilot payroll.

I certainly hope voluntary/ VIL measures can prevent involuntary furloughs.

I would hope to see some early retirements offered in place of furloughs. Cutting the bottom 100 on first year pay will do nothing.

Early retirements???

Between now and a year from now, I gain 13 numbers.
2021-2022; 10 numbers....

I don’t think early retirements will mitigate a furlough. We’re too young.

10 guys off the top equals about 40 new hires as far as payroll. Get some guys 60-65 at the top of the payscale to take an early out. New guys aren't worth anything.

and how many guys are those ?

https://spirit.alpa.org/AboutUs/tabi...8/Default.aspx

Except those at the top are the greediest ones. They pick up trips and x/y-list like they don’t need any sleep or rest at all. Then they complain about NK’s “crappy” trips all while they show you pictures of their 5000 sq ft and their 386k boat in the background.

Exactly! When the oldest dude in base is grabbing LGA turns in OT like a meth fiend, on the Y list..etc.. Hard to think they’re financially ready for early retirement!

Hopefully you don’t have to wait 11 years to upgrade, Then downgrade from a major event, take a 70% pay cut through 2 BKs, start over somewhere else only to go through another BK and finally upgrade after another 14 years in the right seat after starting over at another airline to finally make some decent money the last 5 years of your career.

Please don’t paint all that pick up extra trips with the broad paint brush of being greedy or financially ignorant. There’s a lot of us who have been through the ringer in this business while raising a family that are just trying to make a little more for our impending retirement that didn’t enjoy much time in the left seat.
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Are you upset that people can pick up open time or get premium trips? Or are you mad that someone senior makes more than you?

I don't think we have or need a "who's poorest" priority list for X/Y and DOT.

Entitled Snowflake/millennial/Antifa sympathizers are getting angry about how seniority works. Dammit,
I need everything now generation.

Well, I'm not sure why you posted about the average of pilots hired today (several pilots were hired 25 years ago), but using the seniority calculator on the SPA ALPA website will give you an idea. I'm not going to publicly post that number but anyone who works here can look it up.

Agree wholeheartedly. Average Spirit pilot hired Is in their 30’s. That gives you 30+\- years of earnings and someday you will have that 5000sf home and $386k boat too if you choose.

No offense but that is none of your business, and I am quite puzzled as to why you think it should be your business. As long as someone isn't using a bot or otherwise circumventing the CBA, who the hell cares? Some people bust their cajones over the summer so that they can take the whole month off come October, as an example. Some people are accustomed to being screwed over in this career so they get as much as they can. It's not your place to try and figure all of that out.

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Amazing how every rational discussion that ever starts in this APC forum rapidly devolves into some stupid “our generation vs theirs” or “left vs right” cesspool. Keep that cr*p on Facebook.

I want to hear what people think about staffing levels in the next 12-18 months. Most who click this forum will want to hear the same...

As if anyone on here has a clue to that. 😂😂

Back on thread topic lol....what’s the consensus on Spirit keeping all their folks in the pool until hiring starts back? Or do you think they will dump the pool and start over once things return to “normal”?

I think the new normal will be people simply adjusting to a background of coronavirus just like they have to influenza, Zika, and HIV. SWA is planning on lead turning the comeback in the hope of coming out of it with increased domestic market share. I think ultimately F9 and NK will do the same. AA appears to be following a similar strategy - if only out of desperation - while Delta and United are planning to “shrink to profitability.”

My money is on SWA because they for sure have the deep pockets to pull it off. AA seems to be too deeply mired in debt to compete against SWA. In fact unless international flying rebounds promptly they may be screwed. NK could probably play the same game as SWA, but not for as long. F9? Who knows...

So some of us are on reserve indefinitely and not flying much. I am really getting bored not flying. Does anyone have a side hustle to make some money? I have heard some trade stocks but that takes a lot of capital to start, or maybe not? Any other hobbies to make some extra cash?

You need at least 25k in your account to effectively day trade without the PDT rule. Trading specific stocks involves homework and research, but an easier way I found is to day trade ETFs since they largely track the market trends. For instance if the market is trending green for the day I'll buy SPY, and for the red days I usually buy TVIX since it largely tracks the inverse of the S&P 500.

I think they’ll honor the pool as long as hiring resumes before mid-year 2021. As far as staffing goes, even when the vaccine becomes available and the population feels 100% safe, we’ll still be in the middle of a recession. The whole industry will have to shrink between 15-30% initially. Although NK can definitely take advantage of that (and we will), it’s hard to tell how much bigger our bite will be. There might not be furloughs in October if the vaccine is around the corner and the company feels we’ll hit the ground running in 202. If that’s the case, we can wing this by a combination of VILs, LOAs and voluntary furloughs. Now, if the company is looking at a bleak first half of 2021, management will take “aggressive steps into preserving cash”.

Wow, lots of sensitive folks here... I have no problem with senior or anybody grabbing X/Y or OT trips.. you all missed the point. Fact is, a lot of folks can’t afford an early retirement.. which is sad because this industry has kicked and continues to kick many of our butts every 10 years. Yeah, I’ve been furloughed multiple times. I’m also in the crowd that says absolutely no concessions either... flame away!

A vaccine is not going to matter. After the Covid vaccine is developed not enough people are going to take the vaccine to create the herd immunity to prevent another Covid outbreak.

The infection rate is going to keep going up here because Americans just don’t care enough.

Is it possible to have a 101% infection rate? 2 rona's, 1 cup?

Plane Coffee

You must be kidding right? Under that logic passenger numbers would remain the same and not down 80% (at least domestically). Not all Americans care, but a large majority do. The ones that do will get vaccinated and will fly again (as long as their personal finances allow it). The ones that don’t care... they’ll fly anyways. The vaccine protects you, not the herd.

Is that the same as two girls one cup? 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣

I see we've flown together.

Plane Coffee

That would be tragic.
One Girl - 2 cups - preferably C or better 🤣🤣

Pilot Hiring news ?

Magic 8 ball says...

You no come here any more.

Plane Coffee

Lmao. You weren’t serious about what you wrote (I hope)......cause from a scientific/factual standpoint, it was moronic.

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I have no idea who started those rumors and how they gain traction. Management is focused on stopping the cash hemorrhage and ALPA trying to come up with a plan to mitigate furloughs. If we manage with no involuntary furloughs, we can consider ourselves really lucky. Having said that, I think we’ll be among the first ones to resume hiring but just can’t see that happening this year.

The way things appear to be taking a turn, we'll be lucky if 500 of those 550 flights make it through July.

Sad but true!


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don’t think people really care anymore. Exactly the reason 80% of people don’t wear masks. Doubt it hits travel numbers unless they do mass shut downs again.

2 week quarantine arriving in ny nj ct from fl az Washington tx nc sc al and utah is going to hurt demand no question about it.

That’s one heck of a statistic to throw out there with zero source info.