Attrition
09-11-2022, 05:30 PM
#2011
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Where did you pull these numbers from? Certainly not my posting. And yes, I’d rather have a steep slope upwards because the rate of increase ACCELERATES with time. A 5% per year per year seniority increase over the course of even the first 12 years gives a 1.8 TIMES first year CA or FO salary PLUS all the annual increases because of compound interest. Obviously, you don’t understand compound interest, but you might be able to find a Middle schooler who could explain it to you.
It’s why we have 401ks and IRAs for crying out loud.
It’s why we have 401ks and IRAs for crying out loud.
The condescension doesn’t help your case either.
Advocating for captains starting in the 2’s is defeatist and way off the mark.
09-11-2022, 05:33 PM
#2012
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09-11-2022, 06:10 PM
#2013
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You and me both brother. That would be pretty terrible. Buuuut considering about 25% of the pilot group is on “first yer per”, that’s a pretty large group of people to say **** off to whose biggest concern is a pay raise. But good on you dude. Must definitely be the 12 yer cerptain per that’s causing the attrition problem.
09-12-2022, 03:20 AM
#2014
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There’s some level of personal responsibility and due diligence that should be expected.
09-12-2022, 05:50 AM
#2016
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You and me both brother. That would be pretty terrible. Buuuut considering about 25% of the pilot group is on “first yer per”, that’s a pretty large group of people to say **** off to whose biggest concern is a pay raise. But good on you dude. Must definitely be the 12 yer cerptain per that’s causing the attrition problem.
my post was not (and never should be) taken as an actual discussion marker or a researched response. My post was just to antagonize one particular poster who dominates and twists every thread and every topic with his crusade on first year pay and insults/attacks anyone who has other solutions.
i also agree first year pay is dog ****. I think our whole scale is dog ****. I am also doing my part to remedy this (which does not include using apc as a serious avenue for fixation)
09-12-2022, 08:05 AM
#2017
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my post was not (and never should be) taken as an actual discussion marker or a researched response. My post was just to antagonize one particular poster who dominates and twists every thread and every topic with his crusade on first year pay and insults/attacks anyone who has other solutions.
i also agree first year pay is dog ****. I think our whole scale is dog ****. I am also doing my part to remedy this (which does not include using apc as a serious avenue for fixation)
i also agree first year pay is dog ****. I think our whole scale is dog ****. I am also doing my part to remedy this (which does not include using apc as a serious avenue for fixation)
09-12-2022, 09:00 AM
#2018
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couldnt agree more. An online forum would be a silly place to discuss any actual negotiation tactics. But believe it or not, your arguments are the exact same I hear all the time in the cockpit, strangely enough more often from junior captains. When specifically addressing the attrition problem, apparently they think year 1-5 guys are leaving because 12 year CA pay just isn’t enough. The kicker is that they will say (regarding raising 1st year pay) that it’s the company’s responsibility to attract people and 1st year pay isn’t the unions problem, but when the simple solution is presented, you’d think someone just came in and shot your dog or something the way you react.
A union should look out for EVERYONE it represents, not depending on management to take care of anyone. You know, union - as in ‘unity’? Not ‘screw the junior people as long as I get mine.’
09-12-2022, 10:36 AM
#2020
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couldnt agree more. An online forum would be a silly place to discuss any actual negotiation tactics. But believe it or not, your arguments are the exact same I hear all the time in the cockpit, strangely enough more often from junior captains. When specifically addressing the attrition problem, apparently they think year 1-5 guys are leaving because 12 year CA pay just isn’t enough. The kicker is that they will say (regarding raising 1st year pay) that it’s the company’s responsibility to attract people and 1st year pay isn’t the unions problem, but when the simple solution is presented, you’d think someone just came in and shot your dog or something the way you react.
do you think I’m making an argument? Because I’m sure I’m not.
come. Go. Upgrade. Downgrade. I don’t care. People are going to do what they are going to do.
my only argument(s) are this
it’s not getting solved on apc
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