Search

Notices

Attrition

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-21-2022 | 07:56 AM
  #2631  
Banned
 
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 551
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Chimpy
Sorry, I just don’t see any real sense of urgency on their part. Every F/O I fly with is leaving and they have multiple girls/guys from their Initial classes joining them. I think if mgmt had some kind of skin in the game we’d already have an expedited CBA, not “significant gap remaining “ type of email. That’s why I asked.
This isn’t to establish a new CBA. The contract isn’t even amenable until March. This is early opening to discuss a specific section of the contract and potentially come to a TA that will supplement the current CBA until it is renegotiated. Maybe you should read those emails a little more closely.
Reply
Old 11-21-2022 | 08:13 AM
  #2632  
Chimpy's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,877
Likes: 199
Default

Originally Posted by FahQ2
This isn’t to establish a new CBA. The contract isn’t even amenable until March. This is early opening to discuss a specific section of the contract and potentially come to a TA that will supplement the current CBA until it is renegotiated. Maybe you should read those emails a little more closely.
FFS, you know what I meant…
Reply
Old 11-21-2022 | 08:13 AM
  #2633  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 331
Likes: 7
From: DiverDriver
Default

Prepare to be underwhelmed
Reply
Old 11-21-2022 | 08:43 AM
  #2634  
GWY320's Avatar
On Reserve
 
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 184
Likes: 1
Default

The rates probably won’t even be current jetBlue rates.
Reply
Old 11-21-2022 | 08:45 AM
  #2635  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 508
Likes: 5
Default

Originally Posted by Chimpy
Sorry, I just don’t see any real sense of urgency on their part. Every F/O I fly with is leaving and they have multiple girls/guys from their Initial classes joining them. I think if mgmt had some kind of skin in the game we’d already have an expedited CBA, not “significant gap remaining “ type of email. That’s why I asked.
I’m feeling the same way. Their house is burning and Teddy brought marshmallows and s’more sticks.
Reply
Old 11-21-2022 | 09:00 AM
  #2636  
Banned
 
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 551
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Chimpy
FFS, you know what I meant…
No, actually I didn’t, and it’s a very important distinction.

There is only one reason why the company even considered coming to the table early, and that’s because they want relief to help solve their attrition/recruitment problem. Otherwise they would happily take a knee and run out the clock until merger is finalized.

They assumed we could be enticed by a small raise to tide us over till the JCBA with B6, that we would have the “something is better than nothing” mentality.

This is why I’m not surprised a significant gap still exists, and I don’t blame the NC. Bring us their crappy offer so we can unanimously reject it and put the ball back in their court.
Reply
Old 11-21-2022 | 01:12 PM
  #2637  
The REAL Bluedriver
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,935
Likes: 0
From: Airbus Capt
Default

Originally Posted by SSlow
So we have 10 gates in the rust belt where nobody wants to fly to...cool story

We've got to make Detroit great again, just like it was in that Clint Eastwood movie where he got shot up at the end.
The most profitable airline in the world still maintains a large base in Detroit...
Reply
Old 11-21-2022 | 02:18 PM
  #2638  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 1,591
Likes: 373
Default

Originally Posted by Chimpy
Sorry, I just don’t see any real sense of urgency on their part. Every F/O I fly with is leaving and they have multiple girls/guys from their Initial classes joining them. I think if mgmt had some kind of skin in the game we’d already have an expedited CBA, not “significant gap remaining “ type of email. That’s why I asked.
Why would they care? They are getting a ridiculously sweet buyout from JB who will just inherit these problems. They probably realize they will be replaced after the merger, so they don’t care and aren’t doing anything about it.
Reply
Old 11-21-2022 | 03:17 PM
  #2639  
JulesWinfield's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,837
Likes: 278
Default

Spirit pilots opening the TA email during Christmas:

Reply
Old 11-21-2022 | 03:55 PM
  #2640  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 1,226
Likes: 29
From: baller, shot caller
Default

Originally Posted by Bluedriver
The most profitable airline in the world still maintains a large base in Detroit...
Sure, and with the hub and spoke system they use it probably works out great.

But we're not Delta. We aren't feeding transient pax into a hub and loading them into a heavy bound for Amsterdam, or an RJ hopping over to Grand Rapids.

Our only base with a significant amount of transient pax is FLL. In all of our other stations people are usually starting or ending a trip in the point to point network.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
dadman3000
Piedmont Airlines
6
12-06-2019 11:32 AM
havick206
Envoy Airlines
0
04-12-2018 07:24 AM
ERJ Driver
Regional
10
01-19-2008 01:17 PM
RedBaron007
Regional
67
04-30-2007 08:52 AM
palgia841
Regional
3
03-04-2007 07:36 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices