"A Chief Pilot may discuss patterns of commuting problems with the
Pilot in an effort to resolve such issues by identifying the source of the problem
and assisting in developing alternative commuting strategies. Repeated
mis-commutes may be considered in evaluations of a commuting Pilot’s
overall dependability."

vs

"A pilot who keeps accurate records of his scheduled commuter flights and otherwise complies with the provisions of this commuter policy shall not be subject to discipline for missing trip pairings due to denied boarding."

Maybe they don't, but they can....
And that is before we start taking all the other requirements into account. Your contract could be better than ours on the whole, but there are things undeniably better in our contract.

Having said that, with the way our union is handling things, I would probably prefer the JB NC to present the JCBA to managment.

 

It’s really exhausting explaining how business is conducted at NK over and over again. There are windows for IOT and DOT. Of which, different trips, both good and bad, pop up.

After the dust settles approximately 48-72 hours after DOT opened, the remaining trips are the crappy ones.

Y’all need to stop pretending like we haven’t discussed this before.

 

Idk where to start here, but thinking we stay at a Holiday Inn Express is asinine. We don’t look for an Applebees and choose a hotel from there. Long stay hotels are required to be in an area where there’s plenty of restaurants that is walkable. Stop being childish.

 

I only look for Applebees on date nights.

 

Of all the things to complain about with spirit our hotel language is a funny one. Yes it needs improving but taking an Escalade to a downtown Marriott isn’t so bad?

 

Or when we walk out the hotel and greet the UA pilots on the way to the airport lol

 

You're not even aware of the information provided by the joint negotiating committee yet you feel you are knowledgeable enough to pontificate on the merits of both contracts... that is why you see a fool in the mirror...

 

In over a year of commuting to Blue, I've fortunately never had to use our commuter clause. However, I did have a discussion with a CP when I was new about the commuter clause and "punishment" for using it. From what I gathered, and this was a single data point FWIW, basically if you miss X number of commutes in a rolling 12 months period (I'd have to go into the FOM to find the actual numbers) the system will automatically trigger a dependability review. During the dependability review (which they said was 99% of the time a quick phone call and nothing comes from it) if you show that you met commuter clause for missed commutes that triggered that dependability review, then it was no harm no foul and they couldn't do anything, and the only punishment to you is the waste of 2 minutes of your life you were on the phone with them and whatever PTO or UTO you worked out with CS.

Personally when I'm commuting I put minimal effort in to satisfy our commuter clause and and forunately haven't had any issues. After talking with several CPs I can't imagine them actually making a big deal out of missed commutes as long as you put in minimal effort and meet commuter cluase to get to work on time.

All that said, I think the "dependability review" is BS and should be removed from the FOM once we combine everything.

 

Is attrition to the legacies still pretty steady on the NK side? If merger isn't approved will many make the jump from NK? At JB I've talked to a few that are leaning to leave if it falls through (myself included).

 

This entire summer I dropped my entire schedule in my base and picked up trips in several other domiciles around the country as we traveled as a family. It was really nice. During this time I also grabbed some 200% out of other bases as well as spirit served cities that are not bases.

I live in base and we have has some of the issues you speak of when it comes to the negatives of out of base pickup. It’s probably still happening to some extent in DFW, ORD, and DTW as those bases were downsized and folks were displaced. In my time at spirit there was even a push by one base to get the rules changed. The demographics changed over time and it became less of an issue.

IMO the positives of out of base pickup greatly outweighs the negatives.