Man is everyone stuck living in the past at spirit? You’re probably all the same captains that completely lose their **** when one item is changed on a checklist….

But.. but…, this time is different! We’ve got record attrition and this is the best bargaining environment we’ve ever seen! AC are coming and I’m sure Teddy needs keep the operation afloat! Bendo said we’d get a fast TA!!

Haha, 2017 we had a bad attrition problem. Heck, we couldn’t get guys to show up to class!! I agree with Ed- gonna be 2018 all over again.

Company is playing chess and we’re stuck on Shoots and Ladders!

I don’t remember what the numbers in 2017 for attrition were, but it wasn’t really a problem. Our big leverage then was the huge disparity in our pay from other airlines. We got a big raise because management feared the NMB. Management wasn’t concerned about attrition. This time is different because attrition, not the NMB, is the concern. Though how concerned management is about our attrition is debatable. I’m cautiously optimistic, but very aware who we are dealing with.

Why should they be worried? They aren’t losing any great number of senior CAs. The senior FOs they are losing are easily replaced by newbies who will only cost them an Airbus type rating and maybe $50k the first year - H€||, they probably make money on the deal, especially when you consider the non vested DC forfeited by the departing FOs and junior CAs. And every departing CA opens up an upgrade slot to convince another senior FO to stick around for awhile and, being junior to the departed guy, will be doing the same job for less money.

I think screwing the newbies is starting to screw the whole pilot group.

Agree fully with this.

I'm not commenting on what will happen with your management. Only that those with experience are telling the guy without NK experience that he/she is likely being overly optimistic. And you always seem to need to defend the happy-talk'rs... We have a guy like you, and he was very detrimental during our last negotiations.

Possibly a strain on the training department is the issue. Being maxed out and not being able to keep up with staffing the incoming planes. Time will tell, you could be right though.

Flying slightly more than 2019 pre CovID yet we have 30 more airplanes. Assets sitting around or not flying the high utilization rate required for $50 tickets. This model isn’t working.

Au contraire. The NK training department was accustomed to a 15% increase in pilots annually. It’s the Big Three, with their early retirements and multi-type fleets that are struggling with training. Otherwise NKs attrition would probably be even worse.

What's the cliff notes from the ALPA call today?

Unfortunately I wasn't able to tune in. I've been shook up since this morning when I had a virtual accident in my DriveSim driving simulator at home. Was off today so I like to do casual Sunday afternoon drives in the sim to relax. I was driving the Blue Ridge Parkway in Virginia and had just gone through a 4 way stop when I was T boned from a car running the stop sign. Wasn't in the frame of mind to listen in but I'm guessing it's something along the lines of "good progress was made but we're still far apart on many issues" along with they can't divulge the details of the negotiations due to NDA as well as to keep the upper hand in negotiating position. Similar to the Town Halls I would guess.