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flyingmonkeys 09-18-2022 02:39 PM

I believe most junior CA award most recently went to an 8/19 hire

symbian simian 09-18-2022 03:07 PM

IDGAF about First Week (weak?) Openers. BTDT. Wake me up when we are ready for Last Week Closers. Last time the union published the old/new contract comparison. Unchanged language black, old language red, new language blue. Still remember reading reading the ever so important section 17, and the 5 or so words that had changed, and Bendo fighting over that for weeks.

Tranquility 09-18-2022 03:11 PM

I seem to remember section 9 taking what seemed like an entire year to TA…. And they want help in streamlining training?! Okaaaaaaay….
They wouldn’t have to train so many pilots if attrition weren’t so bad, which comes back to a few other sections in the contract not even remotely related to section 9….

symbian simian 09-18-2022 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3497106)
I seem to remember section 9 taking what seemed like an entire year to TA…. And they want help in streamlining training?! Okaaaaaaay….
They wouldn’t have to train so many pilots if attrition weren’t so bad, which comes back to a few other sections in the contract not even remotely related to section 9….

And our S9 is still the worst out there. Don't expect DLA trip buys here, but the way the our LCAs totally run over seniority like it's not there.... They should have LCA bid like regular Captains. And put all of them on the FO no fly list so their trips stay open on the FO side, to be assigned for training or FO open time later.

sioux8ships 09-18-2022 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3497109)
And our S9 is still the worst out there. Don't expect DLA trip buys here, but the way the our LCAs totally run over seniority like it's not there.... They should have LCA bid like regular Captains. And put all of them on the FO no fly list so their trips stay open on the FO side, to be assigned for training or FO open time later.

No doubt! Been saying this for years! No seniority when it comes to LCA, total bs. CAs should be bought off their trips if they want them for training!

Stratoliner 09-19-2022 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3496986)
Which is another thing causing NK FOs to look elsewhere. The days of three year upgrades at NK are pretty much gone for good. You can probably upgrade faster at AA, UA, or DL, if you don’t mind eternal reserve in SFO, LAX, or EWR.

With the current attrition rate why exactly would upgrade times become longer and longer?

DrSteveBrule 09-19-2022 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Stratoliner (Post 3497332)
With the current attrition rate why exactly would upgrade times become longer and longer?

Because largely losing low seniority FOs, and cant keep making captains if there's no FOs to staff enough lines to justify more upgrades.

JulesWinfield 09-19-2022 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule (Post 3497352)
Because largely losing low seniority FOs, and cant keep making captains if there's no FOs to staff enough lines to justify more upgrades.

Most of the attrition has come from relatively senior FOs and junior captains, with a mix of lower seniority people.

SlimBob 09-20-2022 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 3497129)
No doubt! Been saying this for years! No seniority when it comes to LCA, total bs. CAs should be bought off their trips if they want them for training!

I hear this a lot on the line. Captains are upset at LCA when they didn't do anything to deserve it. And they don't even pick the trips they're on. Maybe they should get what their seniority warrants but that shouldn't open up to scrutiny from their peers.

afterburn81 09-20-2022 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by BananaHammock (Post 3495248)
This guy right here, is right.

Unless we get substantial raises across the board AND significant contract/QoL improvements there is no reason to be first.

Yeah but, a wise-man once said: If you ain’t first, you’re last.


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