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BananaHammock 09-21-2022 03:57 AM
Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 3498306)
Yeah but, a wise-man once said: If you ain’t first, you’re last.
Ok, let's play your imaginary game.

Make believe numbers let's say our current pay compared to the legacies puts us within a 15% delta of earning potential.

We go ahead and accept a 'good deal' on paper, then the legacies make their deals.

After all the deals are made our earning potential compared to the legacies only puts us at a 25% delta.

WOW, glad we were first though ! we can hang our hats on being first ! what a an achievement !!! we should be sooooo proud !!!

GTFOH

flyingmonkeys 09-21-2022 04:28 AM
Originally Posted by BananaHammock (Post 3498384)
Ok, let's play your imaginary game.

Make believe numbers let's say our current pay compared to the legacies puts us within a 15% delta of earning potential.

We go ahead and accept a 'good deal' on paper, then the legacies make their deals.

After all the deals are made our earning potential compared to the legacies only puts us at a 25% delta.

WOW, glad we were first though ! we can hang our hats on being first ! what a an achievement !!! we should be sooooo proud !!!

GTFOH
maybe we can get a clause in our cba that says our pay can never trail legacy airbus pay by more than x percentage.

Excargodog 09-21-2022 06:40 AM
Originally Posted by BananaHammock (Post 3498384)
Ok, let's play your imaginary game.

Make believe numbers let's say our current pay compared to the legacies puts us within a 15% delta of earning potential.

We go ahead and accept a 'good deal' on paper, then the legacies make their deals.

After all the deals are made our earning potential compared to the legacies only puts us at a 25% delta.

WOW, glad we were first though ! we can hang our hats on being first ! what a an achievement !!! we should be sooooo proud !!!

GTFOH
On the flip side, how much might we lose if we drag this out two plus years staying on the same contract until the JCBA? Not only do we lose the money we might have made, we make a low ball JCBA offer look better, because it would be an even greater improvement over the current contract than an interim LOA or contract would have been.

Let’s be real, NK already lags B6 rates by ~25%, and they opened negotiations already. Simply pegging NK pay to B6 pay would start the ball rolling quicker, provide more short term gain, and set NK AND B6 pilot groups up better for a higher joint expectation on the JCBA. And don’t overlook the time value of money. $$ in your 401k today are worth more than the same dollars in their two years from now - unless you are buying Bolivian tin futures or something.

Excargodog 09-21-2022 06:43 AM
Originally Posted by flyingmonkeys (Post 3498390)
maybe we can get a clause in our cba that says our pay can never trail legacy airbus pay by more than x percentage.
So when the first over leveraged legacy gets forced into bankruptcy and the judge forces a concessionaire contract on their pilot group the pay goes down? Be sure to build an only upward ratchet into that clause.

dualinput 09-21-2022 07:14 AM
Can we please stop this. No one is doing the NC any favors here. Let them do their job instead of undermining them.

FlyGuy2002 09-21-2022 07:29 AM
Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3498444)
On the flip side, how much might we lose if we drag this out two plus years staying on the same contract until the JCBA? Not only do we lose the money we might have made, we make a low ball JCBA offer look better, because it would be an even greater improvement over the current contract than an interim LOA or contract would have been.

Let’s be real, NK already lags B6 rates by ~25%, and they opened negotiations already. Simply pegging NK pay to B6 pay would start the ball rolling quicker, provide more short term gain, and set NK AND B6 pilot groups up better for a higher joint expectation on the JCBA. And don’t overlook the time value of money. $$ in your 401k today are worth more than the same dollars in their two years from now - unless you are buying Bolivian tin futures or something.

couldn’t agree more . Well stated.

CincoDeMayo 09-21-2022 08:27 AM
Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3498466)
Can we please stop this. No one is doing the NC any favors here. Let them do their job instead of undermining them.
Not to mention how stupid some of these ideas sound. People can vote when it comes time to vote.

flyingmonkeys 09-21-2022 12:08 PM
Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3498448)
So when the first over leveraged legacy gets forced into bankruptcy and the judge forces a concessionaire contract on their pilot group the pay goes down? Be sure to build an only upward ratchet into that clause.
Yes that’s pretty much what I meant. Our pay doesn’t always have to trail by xxx amount… just can never trail more than xxx

MCDUmanipulator 09-21-2022 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3498466)
Can we please stop this. No one is doing the NC any favors here. Let them do their job instead of undermining them.
maybe because nobody has any faith in the NC or company.

JulesWinfield 09-21-2022 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3498830)
maybe because nobody has any faith in the NC or company.
Do you think posting here will help?


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