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Originally Posted by canucker
(Post 3496761)
What's the impression that with these negotiations, the training pay will be fixed?
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Rumor going around is the company is motivated to get something done. Maybe not a final TA but something in the short term at least comparable to B6 rates by the end of the year. That’s not good enough obviously but at least it’s something until a deal is reached.
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Originally Posted by flyingmonkeys
(Post 3496842)
Rumor going around is the company is motivated to get something done. Maybe not a final TA but something in the short term at least comparable to B6 rates by the end of the year. That’s not good enough obviously but at least it’s something until a deal is reached.
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Originally Posted by sioux8ships
(Post 3496955)
You can wish in one hand and crap in the other- see which one fills up faster.
Perhaps if the vote actually goes through JB would apply some pressure to try to manage NK attrition. Perhaps not. I’m not all that sure that JB is trying to buy NK for their pilot group. They have a lot of 320ceos that are long in the tooth. They may just be buying an order book of newer and more fuel efficient aircraft and whatever of the existing pilot group happens to have stuck around. Yeah, they too have NEOs on order, but clearly a lot of aircraft are being bought for replacement, not expansion, including replacement of their 190s in the near future. Which is another thing causing NK FOs to look elsewhere. The days of three year upgrades at NK are pretty much gone for good. You can probably upgrade faster at AA, UA, or DL, if you don’t mind eternal reserve in SFO, LAX, or EWR. |
Originally Posted by sioux8ships
(Post 3496955)
You can wish in one hand and crap in the other- see which one fills up faster.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3496986)
This^^^
Perhaps if the vote actually goes through JB would apply some pressure to try to manage NK attrition. Perhaps not. I’m not all that sure that JB is trying to buy NK for their pilot group. They have a lot of 320ceos that are long in the tooth. They may just be buying an order book of newer and more fuel efficient aircraft and whatever of the existing pilot group happens to have stuck around. Yeah, they too have NEOs on order, but clearly a lot of aircraft are being bought for replacement, not expansion, including replacement of their 190s in the near future. Which is another thing causing NK FOs to look elsewhere. The days of three year upgrades at NK are pretty much gone for good. You can probably upgrade faster at AA, UA, or DL, if you don’t mind eternal reserve in SFO, LAX, or EWR. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3496986)
This^^^
Perhaps if the vote actually goes through JB would apply some pressure to try to manage NK attrition. Perhaps not. I’m not all that sure that JB is trying to buy NK for their pilot group. They have a lot of 320ceos that are long in the tooth. They may just be buying an order book of newer and more fuel efficient aircraft and whatever of the existing pilot group happens to have stuck around. Yeah, they too have NEOs on order, but clearly a lot of aircraft are being bought for replacement, not expansion, including replacement of their 190s in the near future. Which is another thing causing NK FOs to look elsewhere. The days of three year upgrades at NK are pretty much gone for good. You can probably upgrade faster at AA, UA, or DL, if you don’t mind eternal reserve in SFO, LAX, or EWR. |
Originally Posted by baseball3792
(Post 3497025)
What is currently the most junior CA? And what’s the mock showing for that?
I think there may be a copy of that in the library - it’s in the Fiction section. The only thing that might make that come true is if the attrition of junior CAs actually increases which IS possible. But yeah, that might briefly restore a three year upgrade if ALL those things happened. And the more senior of those people might even keep CA if the SLI goes well. They’d be on reserve a LONG time though. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3497030)
The mock assuming we are going to hire and keep an additional 300 FOs before the ‘what-if’ about six months out? And not lose any of the ones we currently have? Or that NONE of the 200 FOs senior to the junior CA who have been holding back to avoid reserve elect to upgrade? And that we are going to actually take all the aircraft on order - and not retire any of them? Are you talking about THAT what-if?
I think there may be a copy of that in the library - it’s in the Fiction section. The only thing that might make that come true is if the attrition of junior CAs actually increases which IS possible. But yeah, that might briefly restore a three year upgrade if ALL those things happened. And the more senior of those people might even keep CA if the SLI goes well. They’d be on reserve a LONG time though. |
Originally Posted by baseball3792
(Post 3497035)
I don’t know what it shows, hence why I asked :)
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