Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3547168)

Each pilot group and company are different with different work rules. I expect our company being part of a lcc model rather than whatever model the legacies follow to be in line with other lcc contract. We won’t get delta or united or American pay. But we have more lenient work rules and a lot more flexibility than they do. You want their pay play by their rules, if spirit doesn’t want to play their rules be act like a legacies you have to be realistic in this is the company you work for. Spirit doesn’t have nearly the market share or capital that delta does. If you want delta pay work for delta. If you don’t wanna work for delta because you don’t like their bases or their work rules that’s your choice. You choose to work for a lcc and you’re giving up pay to have the qol you want. I didn’t come to spirit because they had the best pay I came because they offered a livable wage that can support the life I want to live and gave me the best qol at the time. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Delta pilot even with “new industry leading pay” certainly give up a lot to get that pay and they work for it.

Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3547218)

Forgot less profitable.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3547261)

Pilots don’t control profitability. But who has more responsibility? A Delta 321 pilot with all 191 pax seats filled or an NK 321 pilot with 228 pax?

Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 3547267)

So who’s paying for these pay rates? Is this something that JB will inherit after the merger? Does JB have say in any of this? I wonder if JB tries to get out of the merger once they realize that its going to be a huge loss from a financial perspective for them?

Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3547158)

I think your assumption is that there wouldn’t be a fails safe that if the merger fails we go back to the table. This is probably at best a 2 year deal assuming we either merge and negotiate a jcba or the merger fails and we go back to the table with spirit. So no I doubt these rates should be considered longer term

Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3547270)

Have you ever worked for an airline or for spirit for more than two minutes. Back to the table with spirit management when their attrition problem isn’t nearly as pronounced means spending months cutting up paragraphs about jury duty just to end up where we started months prior. Multiply that by 31 sections. What we vote in this time around will be the last CBA we have with spirit management or it will be the one we have with them for 5-8 years. We’ve never had more leverage. If we don’t realize that it’s on us. I am glad you don’t have a vote. Unfortunately your toxic attitude has much more reach.

Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 3547267)

So who’s paying for these pay rates? Is this something that JB will inherit after the merger? Does JB have say in any of this? I wonder if JB tries to get out of the merger once they realize that its going to be a huge loss from a financial perspective for them?

Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3547271)

Do realize that most first year pilots just want a pay raise, and will say a lot to try to convince you to give it to them, however short sighted it may be.

I expect this deal to be between JetBlue and Alaska rates, I expect the MEC to send it to the pilots, and I expect the pilots to vote it in roughly 65-35. I hope I’m wrong and that it is Alaska or better (or that there’s more backbone). We’ll find out tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3547168)

Each pilot group and company are different with different work rules. I expect our company being part of a lcc model rather than whatever model the legacies follow to be in line with other lcc contract. We won’t get delta or united or American pay. But we have more lenient work rules and a lot more flexibility than they do. You want their pay play by their rules, if spirit doesn’t want to play their rules be act like a legacies you have to be realistic in this is the company you work for. Spirit doesn’t have nearly the market share or capital that delta does. If you want delta pay work for delta. If you don’t wanna work for delta because you don’t like their bases or their work rules that’s your choice. You choose to work for a lcc and you’re giving up pay to have the qol you want. I didn’t come to spirit because they had the best pay I came because they offered a livable wage that can support the life I want to live and gave me the best qol at the time. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Delta pilot even with “new industry leading pay” certainly give up a lot to get that pay and they work for it.