I’m surprised nobody else hasn’t pointed this out…. Not even Delta’s AIP keeps pace with inflation.

I’m pleased people here realize we have REAL leverage this time around. We should not sell that leverage for suboptimal pay rates in the hopes of getting more in subsequent bargaining, as said subsequent bargaining may not happen or may take a loooooong time. We could potentially be stuck with these rates for some time cementing ourselves at the bottom yet again. People claimed we had leverage prior to C2018 (with a TRO hovering over us?!), this time around is truly different. I was a yes on C2018 (no regrets), I’m in a much better spot now, and am ready to vote no on this…

Executive compensation consistently exceeds inflation.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Because it can't sustain if your costs are the same. Simple. One main reason it works now because overall labor costs are low. If pilots get top pay, don't you think other work groups will want it and deserve it?? There goes business model.

I don’t claim to fully grasp their economic package, but according to a delta rep their TA will beat inflation by a bit when the soft pay is included and W2s are compared.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Higher density + charging for bags etc goes a long way. Also prices for tickets are inevitably going to go up across the board at every airline in one way or another. Edit* Think about it this way, if both the CA and FO get a cumulative $200 an hour raise and there are 200 pax on board, the price per ticket would only have to go up $1 per hour of flight time! Not to mention pilots aren’t the only ones getting big raises with the current inflationary environment.

Yet you lost money in the 3rd quarter while almost everyone made near record profits. And you want to increase labor costs significantly and think it's sustainable?? This is before a real nickle of merger costs kick in which will be astronomical.

Outside looking in that is.

So we as a profession will just continue to fall behind with our spending power? Where does it end? Good god man. Grow a set.

Our cost are not the same. Not even close. Labor is a part of that, but so is fixed costs like cheaper real estate, lesser hotels, single type fleet, more efficient motors, higher density seating (and soon to be even more dense), not having clubs, outsourcing every station. Casm is all of that and more. The trouble with your thinking is that every other airline's pay is also going up. It is not like it is just spirit's costs that are going to increase. We match delta pay, that would certainly cause a problem competing with Frontier on cost, but dont ya think Frontier's pilots then wouldnt aim right our scale or better?

We were utilizing our A/C at 16 hours a day and now has dropped to around 10 because of having to reduce schedules. We don’t have the bodies to fly the new aircraft coming in. You pay market rate, our attrition will slow, hiring will be where it should and AC utilization with get back to more profitable levels.