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Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3546842)

How do you know?

our NC has stated that they were asking above jetBlue rates but also cautioned that Alaska wasn’t going to happen.

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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3546847)

our NC has stated that they were asking above jetBlue rates but also cautioned that Alaska wasn’t going to happen.

Yup - I’m hoping once they took tally of the pay rate survey that was sent out in October they adjusted their ask accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3546842)

How do you know?

My magic 8 ball told me.

To help this pass the company is throwing in “Signing bonus”.

$11,000 per year of service.

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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3546616)

Inflation since the last CBA was signed has been 21% so 15% would essential be an agreed to pay cut. Hell no.

Agreed! Due to inflation we need at least 25% increase in the first year for a an actual raise. Yearly Increases after that and Retro pay to reflect the ridiculous inflation since 2020.

Someone mentioned we should compare our gains to Alaska? Alaska rates are old news and would not stop attrition to Delta, United, AA, etc. and other airlines.

Anything less than the legacies rates will not stop attrition and are an insult to the Spirit pilot group

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Originally Posted by thor55 (Post 3546947)

Retro pay before the amenable date of the current contract has even passed…huh... I mean why stop at 2020, why not pretend like the current contract never happened and get retro back to 2018

TA-TPA-JCBA. Not sure why this is so hard to understand?

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Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3546191)

Is this DOS Or DOS+4?

DOS+2 for AS
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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3546658)

which is what that proposal will be a fast no.

I realize that Xcargo wants to give the company relief, but if you give them first year pay, and nothing much for everyone else, you are helping the company and screwing the rest of the Pilot group

yeah I said it. Excargo wants to screw the rest of the pilot group.

Get industry standard slope and FO/CA ratio. Stick with that. Negotiate CA TOS and the rest follows along. If the company wants to pay new-hires more, then raise the whole package. Or make a deal involving bonuses for all.

Recruiting/retention = not pilot problem.

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Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 3546974)

TA-TPA-JCBA. Not sure why this is so hard to understand?

Because we have people on here demanding retro for a contract that isnt amendable yet, but want retro for inflation? Haha. The best is ol ExCargo who wants profit sharing, but because we aren't making money, he wants it off the top revenue line.

So to answer your question on why is it so hard for people to understand, its because we have people who are advocating for the above.

The TA will come out tomorrow and the same 4-5 guys will scream at the moon and declare it "dead on arrival." Most will look at it, judge it on its merits as not being a full contract, decide if this is worth taking to the TPA and then the JCBA, and vote accordingly, while avoiding the back and forth with said 4-5 guys who like to call people's opinions "cancer" and "dangerous" if it doesn't line up with theirs.

Hate to break it to those 4-5 guys but the majority of pilots here dont view themselves as the torch bearers of the industry and that Spirit pilots have some responsibility to vote something down because it isnt Delta, with retro, with profit sharing from top line, and handies from hot FAs.

To the 4-5 guys who will be blowing gaskets on this forum starting around late afternoon tomorrow and until the vote is done, have a Happy Festivus for the rest of us.