That sounds about right... I did hear they really wanted to get the FO scale the biggest boost because that was where most of the attrition is.

[QUOTE=ZapBrannigan;3546187]Here you go.[/However, to prevent another "Alaska Discount" as just ended, pay scales will be averaged of American, Delta, Southwest, United, and JetBlue pilot pay for flying 737-and A320- family aircraft. If that average exceeds these amounts, the average will be used to adjust the pay scale to ensure Alaska Airlines pilots don't fall behind.



That last paragraph is key. We shouldn’t vote on anything unless it has something similar attached to it.

First off it seems you haven’t been in the airline industry long. You’re only as good as your last contract and everything can be long term.

Second, comprehensive or not has nothing to with getting paid less than market. That’s a line you’ve been fed to adjust your expectations and it worked. Comprehensive has to do with taking months or years to open every contract section. We did not do that here but has nothing to do with taking less money.

Third is QOL. WHAT QOL??!!! The spirit QOL myth will not die. Our QOL isn’t any better than the legacy airlines. Read the contracts side by side. We have a some things better and some things worse as do they. This spirit QOL myth is just that, a myth! It’s something new hires are fed to rationalize working for less.

Your post history says you participate in air shows and maybe live in SLC. You need to be applying at Delta. That will do more for your QOL than anything in the spirit QOL. Of course they’ll want you to get on the industry LEADING train and that doesn’t seem your speed. Sit back and let the professionals handle the heavy lifting please.

Anything with any concession of any kind is an automatic no from me.

Frontier guy here.

How long have you guys been in negotiations? 6 months?
To reach a deal so fast, I'm assuming this is just a pay rate increase and very little other details are changed?

Wish the best for you guys!

Yeah they are just opening up compensation.

Shouldn’t be any concessions since we are only opening up compensation although anything less than market value is a concession in my mind.

The official line from our NC was that 5 sections (items??) were opened, 4 were compensation related 1 was QOL. I think we started in September.

Thanks for the info. This is just a stop gap until a jcba can be reach with JetBlue. Makes sense. I figured they would stone wall until then.

Sounds good

Our attrition numbers are embarrassingly high right now. They’re just trying to stop the bleeding