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nene 03-12-2024 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by HSCompressor (Post 3780780)
The question is, has the landscape changed? Are these companies now too big to fail? Their aggressive actions might be because they're too big to fail now. So your last statement might not hold the same water it used to.

Much like the big banks in our country after the 2008 debacle, I would oberseve that yes most of these corporations are too big to fail completely and/or immediately in the eyes of our politician. Uncle Sugar showed that during the pandemic. That being said, bad mgmt decisions will still stunt profits, potential growth, pilot career trajectories and career earnings significantly. You don't have to be furloughed to have a bad decade in this business.

It's been a crazy 4yrs since the pandemic recovery. Hopefully we (as an industry) can catch the wave and glide in towards shore for quite a while and not cut into the face too sharp and suffer a roiling, thunderous, industry reconciliation.

hockeypilot44 03-12-2024 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by thrust (Post 3779433)
No mainline AA aircraft retirements until 2030. This recent order is all growth, for now.

There aren’t many deliveries happening right now. Airbus and Boeing both struggling with getting engines. You can order what you want, but the planes aren’t coming. By the time they do show up, they’ll be replacements.

TransWorld 03-12-2024 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3780948)
There aren’t many deliveries happening right now. Airbus and Boeing both struggling with getting engines. You can order what you want, but the planes aren’t coming. By the time they do show up, they’ll be replacements.

Orders are mostly future deliveries, not much the next few years. Holding on to their existing aircraft, the airlines are going to be short, relative to planned growth and desired aircraft retirements.

And don't forget that freight train of massive retirements. We may have hit the peek, but they are still happening. When deliveries of aircraft start ramping up, pilot hiring demand will be revealed, once again.

Stayontarget 03-12-2024 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3780978)
Orders are mostly future deliveries, not much the next few years. Holding on to their existing aircraft, the airlines are going to be short, relative to planned growth and desired aircraft retirements.

And don't forget that freight train of massive retirements. We may have hit the peek, but they are still happening. When deliveries of aircraft start ramping up, pilot hiring demand will be revealed, once again.


Plenty of time to get the Aviates, Cadets, 225, whatever flow programs up to full steam. By then the demand for already trained pilots from other airlines could be reduced significantly. Will it stop? No probably not. But it’s certainly more competitive and you’re behind thousands of 22 year olds.

Looking at the United pause as an example. “United Aviate and United Military will remain at the top of hiring priorities once new hire classes resume.”

I have no idea how much the flows contributed to the last few years of legacy hiring. 1500 per year??

hoover 03-14-2024 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3779708)
Remember WN attrition dropped to near 0 because people are waiting for the signing bonus. That may be giving management a false sense of security. The new contract is pretty good but the widebody urge remains strong for many.

The Max 7 is certainly a major problem for them but I suspect they will end up running a few classes.

thata what I was thinking.

RJSAviator76 03-16-2024 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3780569)
What are you talking about? The Big 3 all have the intentions of their new aircraft orders being growth, and no, the stocks haven’t been “decimated”.

SWA is afraid of it’s own shadow and they will continue to shrink as the Big 3 take over their flying.

You wouldn't know what I'm talking about. Stick to trolling.

Cyio 03-25-2024 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3782198)
You wouldn't know what I'm talking about. Stick to trolling.

Damn RJ you quoted that troll. 😂

LoopsMcDoops 04-02-2024 05:28 AM

Buddy of mine interviewed at AA. Had to fix his logbook and got the offer. AA is requiring leg-by-leg logging of flight time, at least for 121 time. Basically, folks going in with Flica reports logging day-by-day isn't going to be accepted any longer. Good luck.

B200 Hawk 04-02-2024 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by LoopsMcDoops (Post 3787970)
Buddy of mine interviewed at AA. Had to fix his logbook and got the offer. AA is requiring leg-by-leg logging of flight time, at least for 121 time. Basically, folks going in with Flica reports logging day-by-day isn't going to be accepted any longer. Good luck.

Lol exactly why I don't want to leave. The fact that X years of experience flying an airbus for a 121 airline needs extra details beyond years and time in the seat is a joke. The days or scribbling pencil into green pages in a bound book are long gone. They can take the 1500 hour guys with nicer logbooks if they prefer. This industry....lol.

Halon1211 04-02-2024 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by LoopsMcDoops (Post 3787970)
Buddy of mine interviewed at AA. Had to fix his logbook and got the offer. AA is requiring leg-by-leg logging of flight time, at least for 121 time. Basically, folks going in with Flica reports logging day-by-day isn't going to be accepted any longer. Good luck.


I’m about to work on my AApplication with them soon and this annoys me.

I remember when I filled mine out years ago under the old application system they wanted to know every single freaking thing about the airplane like how many times you farted in the seat too.


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