Originally Posted by Born2FlyAv8R (Post 3779066)

alarmist alarmist panic panic music stopping show is ending slowdowns pauses furloughs.
Stop

american just announced a huge airplane order - they have huge retirement numbers - they need pilots. United needs pilots, but of course they’ll pause due to lack of over 100 airplanes - thanks Boeing. Southwest will need pilots - but of course they’ll pause due to a lack of airplanes - thanks Boeing. Delta has said they were going to decrease to about 1000 hired this year, thay haven’t indicated anything different recently? those are still huge numbers. Why does everyone want to go into some sort of sky is falling mode. This is due to lack of airplanes once the airplane shortage is figured out, the pilot hiring will
begin again.

Originally Posted by Jdub2 (Post 3779253)

I believe American’s order is for replacements

Originally Posted by Jdub2 (Post 3779253)

I believe American’s order is for replacements

Originally Posted by Born2FlyAv8R (Post 3779434)

no, it’s not, as a matter fact, the airbuses that they already have they are refurbishing and keeping in service.

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3779456)

A lot of those are from the mid 90s, and slapping a new interior and LCD screens in won’t fix a lot of the problems. They’ll definitely get rid of them at some point, so it might be for growth at the moment, but long term, those old Westies won’t last.

Originally Posted by thrust (Post 3779433)

No mainline AA aircraft retirements until 2030. This recent order is all growth, for now.

Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3779603)

All the A321 orders will not be delivered until starting in 2030.

Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3779603)

All the A321 orders will not be delivered until starting in 2030.

Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3779675)

15 XLR's will be in the fleet by end of 2025/early 2026. In the fleet, flying pax ops, operational

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3779456)

A lot of those are from the mid 90s, and slapping a new interior and LCD screens in won’t fix a lot of the problems. They’ll definitely get rid of them at some point, so it might be for growth at the moment, but long term, those old Westies won’t last.

Originally Posted by hoover (Post 3779071)

I doubt that 500 at sw stays in a pool when they cancelled their classes and said no more for the rest of the yr. Plus 500 in a pool sounds very high.

Originally Posted by Jdub2 (Post 3779764)

Their CEO said the order was primarily for replacement on CNBC, but what does he know

Originally Posted by Jdub2 (Post 3779764)

Their CEO said the order was primarily for replacement on CNBC, but what does he know

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3780568)

Pretty sure any new aircraft have to be labeled as mostly replacements, especially in this economy. If not, watch the stock price get decimated.

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3779456)

A lot of those are from the mid 90s, and slapping a new interior and LCD screens in won’t fix a lot of the problems. They’ll definitely get rid of them at some point, so it might be for growth at the moment, but long term, those old Westies won’t last.

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3780569)

What are you talking about? The Big 3 all have the intentions of their new aircraft orders being growth, and no, the stocks haven’t been “decimated”.

SWA is afraid of it’s own shadow and they will continue to shrink as the Big 3 take over their flying.

Originally Posted by nene (Post 3780755)

Traditionally:
SWA is like the Uber conservative realestate investor who only buys small houses with cash to rent out with proceeds from its other rentals.

Delta borrows money to buy fixer uppers and tries to refurbish them into an investment property.

United/AA leverages heavily and buys new construction condos and commercial realestate.

If the economy falters, company woes follow predictable paths.

Originally Posted by nene (Post 3780755)

Traditionally:
SWA is like the Uber conservative realestate investor who only buys small houses with cash to rent out with proceeds from its other rentals.

Delta borrows money to buy fixer uppers and tries to refurbish them into an investment property.

United/AA leverages heavily and buys new construction condos and commercial realestate.

If the economy falters, company woes follow predictable paths.

Originally Posted by HSCompressor (Post 3780780)

The question is, has the landscape changed? Are these companies now too big to fail? Their aggressive actions might be because they're too big to fail now. So your last statement might not hold the same water it used to.

Originally Posted by thrust (Post 3779433)

No mainline AA aircraft retirements until 2030. This recent order is all growth, for now.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3780948)

There aren’t many deliveries happening right now. Airbus and Boeing both struggling with getting engines. You can order what you want, but the planes aren’t coming. By the time they do show up, they’ll be replacements.

Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3780978)

Orders are mostly future deliveries, not much the next few years. Holding on to their existing aircraft, the airlines are going to be short, relative to planned growth and desired aircraft retirements.

And don't forget that freight train of massive retirements. We may have hit the peek, but they are still happening. When deliveries of aircraft start ramping up, pilot hiring demand will be revealed, once again.

Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3779708)

Remember WN attrition dropped to near 0 because people are waiting for the signing bonus. That may be giving management a false sense of security. The new contract is pretty good but the widebody urge remains strong for many.

The Max 7 is certainly a major problem for them but I suspect they will end up running a few classes.

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3780569)

What are you talking about? The Big 3 all have the intentions of their new aircraft orders being growth, and no, the stocks haven’t been “decimated”.

SWA is afraid of it’s own shadow and they will continue to shrink as the Big 3 take over their flying.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3782198)

You wouldn't know what I'm talking about. Stick to trolling.

Originally Posted by LoopsMcDoops (Post 3787970)

Buddy of mine interviewed at AA. Had to fix his logbook and got the offer. AA is requiring leg-by-leg logging of flight time, at least for 121 time. Basically, folks going in with Flica reports logging day-by-day isn't going to be accepted any longer. Good luck.

Originally Posted by LoopsMcDoops (Post 3787970)

Buddy of mine interviewed at AA. Had to fix his logbook and got the offer. AA is requiring leg-by-leg logging of flight time, at least for 121 time. Basically, folks going in with Flica reports logging day-by-day isn't going to be accepted any longer. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3787994)

I’m about to work on my AApplication with them soon and this annoys me.

I remember when I filled mine out years ago under the old application system they wanted to know every single freaking thing about the airplane like how many times you farted in the seat too.

Originally Posted by B200 Hawk (Post 3787986)

Lol exactly why I don't want to leave. The fact that X years of experience flying an airbus for a 121 airline needs extra details beyond years and time in the seat is a joke. The days or scribbling pencil into green pages in a bound book are long gone. They can take the 1500 hour guys with nicer logbooks if they prefer. This industry....lol.

Originally Posted by B200 Hawk (Post 3787986)

Lol exactly why I don't want to leave. The fact that X years of experience flying an airbus for a 121 airline needs extra details beyond years and time in the seat is a joke. The days or scribbling pencil into green pages in a bound book are long gone. They can take the 1500 hour guys with nicer logbooks if they prefer. This industry....lol.

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3788035)

The arrogance lol

Originally Posted by CatPilot1 (Post 3788040)

My boy, I’m guessing you.’re sub 5k. Logging 20 years of flight time leg by leg after logging day by day is a big deal. Especially since it’s never mattered before. Beat it stupid.

Originally Posted by Jdub2 (Post 3788072)

It has always mattered at the legacies my old boy

Originally Posted by CatPilot1 (Post 3788092)

Survey says….no it hasn’t.

Originally Posted by Jdub2 (Post 3788118)

And you know this how? From your rejection letters?

My personal experience, the experience of everyone I know that has and hasn’t made it, and my firsthand conversations with people on the hr and pilot portions of the hiring team say it has.

I’m sure you’re a very capable and knowledgeable pilot, but it’s laughable to see you call someone else stupid when you have no idea what you’re talking about.

To anyone lurking, if you decide applying is right for you don’t listen to that terrible advice. Attention to detail is one of the most important pieces of your application. There’s only so much they can glean from your logbook and application, and how much care and effort you put into both is at the top of their list.

Originally Posted by mavsfflife (Post 3788130)

Ive logged monthly the last 4 years and it wasn’t even brought up at one of the big 3 interviews and got an offer. I thought they might bring it up but no mention whatsoever. Guess it just depends on who’s reviewing it that day.

Originally Posted by mavsfflife (Post 3788130)

Ive logged monthly the last 4 years and it wasn’t even brought up at one of the big 3 interviews and got an offer. I thought they might bring it up but no mention whatsoever. Guess it just depends on who’s reviewing it that day.