I hope Mr. 11 years is DFW based!

People say a lot of stuff though

Remember when everyone was voting no for this last TA?

I'm a captain and already did 2 interviews. On my last commute (on NK) the captain said he has a class date at AA. Another captain I know from my previous base also has an AA class date and a UA offer. Most are reaching for the ejection handle.

Last 3 captains I flew with; one had class dates from UAL and AA (9 years NK), another had CJO’s from all 3 and a class date from AA (6 year capt) and the last one was an 18 year LCA who has an app in at UAL. I still think the resignations will be significantly FO heavy.

And sadly none are DFW based Catpilot.

Anyone wanting a 737 CA slot at UA can be awarded a CA upgrade in intro, upgrading as soon as off probation and likely getting CA pay after 350 hours of company time. Second year CA pay in 2025 will be $335 an hour.

https://d2r1lrrqctgamh.cloudfront.net/UAL/TA/upa23-2023-09-29.pdf#page35

DC is 17% with immediate vesting going up to 18% in 2026.

https://d2r1lrrqctgamh.cloudfront.net/UAL/TA/upa23-2023-09-29.pdf#page336

Yep, you are going to be on reserve for a long time - mitigated by a standard 18 hour long call and significant add pay if converted to short call. So economically the hit is recoverable pretty quickly. But yeah, you'll be a junior CA for awhile. That may or may not be worth it to any given individual. Everyone is different...

I live 30 minutes from a UA base so I don't care about being on reserve for a while. It's infinitely better than commuting to reserve like I am now.

out of the 5 captains I have talked to, 9 said they had interviews.

Nah couldn’t be; of the 9 captains that I spoke to, 14 had miata’s

And 12 said they couldn’t afford the pay cut. Too many boats and Miata’s.

Oh, I forgot to mention. I interviewed at UA this week and in my group there was another Spirit captain. An early 2020 hire.

Reminds me of the old line, 12 economists have 29 different opinions.

They say, 10 out of 9 pilots are dyslexic...

also studies show:

9 out of 10 men who tried Camels, preferred women.

My spilt personality says I am beside myself, and so am I.

4.
App is in with UAL-AA-DL-SWA (order of preference). I will give it a few months before I will look at DEC at the regionals.

And the remaining one was lysdexic...

Genuine question, why would you go to a regional?

…..,,,,.,,,.,,

are you a CA or F/O here at Spirit?

He’s old and senior

Just a guess, bonus and living in regional base...

2013 hire, upgraded years ago

$110K bonus, $200/hour, 12% 401k, no more comute, maxed out vacation with 121 experience. Yeah, it would suck. But not sure about NKs future, any chapter 11 rumor and I would consider regional over avelo/breeze/GX

You forgot "cranky"

no I didn’t, that’s implied.

Sounds like RPA. Do what you think is best, but going to a regional is… yeah. Especially the survivability of the company depends on mainline partners whipping carriers. Good luck with whatever you decide, man

I think it’s a good decision. He should leave as soon as possible.

all that after I was nice about your anxieties

I actually meant it as yes leave because you are more senior than me (even though I’m trying to leave too) not leave because I don’t like you.

after I re-read that, I can definitely see how you interpreted it that way. That was my mistake.

and yes, you were nice to me. All is well 😃

All good bro. I hand it out, I will receive. Good luck on the job hunt.

Like I said, not my fourth choice.... Thanks. Wasn't planning this.

It’s a tough decision. I don’t blame you for getting your ducks in a row. Genuinely hope it works out for you!

Apreciate it!! :)

Makes complete sense to me .....especially for certain people (only a few years left to retire.....etc.). I assume if you went this route, it would only be if our doors shut? What is the commitment necessary to recieve the bonus anyway? Would kind of suck being on reserve forever as well!!!

Would leave for the big 4 now, regional only if doors start closing... As long as I don't have to commute I can do reserve, just not both. AFAIK bonus for 6months to a year on property. And still eligeble for flow after 2 years (supposedly, no guarantees ASO)

United and Southwest not hiring. Delta about to slow classes way down or pause hiring. No announcements at American, but guessing they follow.

United isn't hiring for 2 months, that's it. They haven't stopped the whole show.

American does this too. Usually one month in the summer and one month (Dec) in winter. They just don't announce it.

Delta has slowed; from crazy hiring to good hiring numbers.

Southwest? Single fleet issues and heard they have 500+ in the pool so yeah, they're treading water to figure out what to do I guess.

alarmist alarmist panic panic music stopping show is ending slowdowns pauses furloughs.
Stop

american just announced a huge airplane order - they have huge retirement numbers - they need pilots. United needs pilots, but of course they’ll pause due to lack of over 100 airplanes - thanks Boeing. Southwest will need pilots - but of course they’ll pause due to a lack of airplanes - thanks Boeing. Delta has said they were going to decrease to about 1000 hired this year, thay haven’t indicated anything different recently? those are still huge numbers. Why does everyone want to go into some sort of sky is falling mode. This is due to lack of airplanes once the airplane shortage is figured out, the pilot hiring will
begin again.

I doubt that 500 at sw stays in a pool when they cancelled their classes and said no more for the rest of the yr. Plus 500 in a pool sounds very high.

500 pilots is about 40 aircraft worth. They have 342 MAX 7s on order. The original certification date of the MAX 7 buyers were told to expect was 2022. Now nobody knows.

https://simpleflying.com/faa-no-spec...r%20reductions.

I'm sure SWA would like to hire all those people if they had their promised new aircraft.

Yes hiring has stopped for the year at Southwest, but United is still interviewing and hiring. They’re just not running new hire classes in May and June. A vacancy just came out three days ago with about 130+ upgrade vacancies and the new hire class starting on the 12th are also slated to have captain vacancies in their class drop.

The music has slowed a bit for now, but it has most certainly not stopped.