that seems pretty quick! I hope mine can move along that quickly.

You want him to thank you because your MEC got yall a nice contract to vote on?

Congrats on raising the bar, and I mean that from a position of respect, but it seems odd for you yourself to be demanding gratitude from other pilot groups for the work of your MEC and not anything that you did on an individual level besides vote.

Unless you are a DL MEC officer, and if that is the case then thank you.

Most the hate I hear is from pilots who flew for Delta regionals. Daddy DAL treated their regional like garbage and their regional treated their pilots like garbage. Therefore "I could never work for a place as awful as Delta." I try to say something like "All majors treat their regionals like garbage. This will not be your experience on the DAL seniority list." But most have already made up their minds.

There may be more to it, there may not. What do I know, I'm a Spirit lifer who couldn't get a phonecall from DAL 10-20 years ago. I don't know your life. Ultimately, you do you, Boo.

You showed up to dispel the Delta cultural knowns, but instead added to them. Beat it stupid.

I don’t think either of us are looking for an attaboy or espousal of gratitude from anyone. It was just a weird post from bluedrivel, especially when DALPA does dues refunds and is leading the charge at national for a reduction in dues. And so that was a succinct response to him in my mind.

Thank you? For what? Making a point about DL and your mighty attitudes?

You thank Alaska??? They did as much or more heavy lifting then Delta.

I’m just here for the comments.

wow! Sky high! I didnt know a sub inflation contract was sky high?
Do you also insist to rude the hotel can without other crews from other airlines?
This is probably what the guy was talking about.
Every Airline has their own issues but delta seems to be the only ones who smell their own farts.

These types of comments are comical. Delta is probably the best run of the big 3. The pilots are constantly leading the charge at the top of the compensation pile in each round of bargaining. Profit sharing checks you can buy a small house with. Yeah let’s worry about something dumb like perceived culture.

Their seniority demographics may not make them someone’s first choice but culture, really? YGTFKM.

This sounds like my gen Z neighbor that left a higher paying job to crawl back to his previous employer for less money bc he didn’t like the “culture” at the new company.

Im at spirit bc of where my seniority landed in my career and industry life cycles. Has zero to do with culture.

My point was contracts are made because ALPA is in the business of making money. Higher the wage the more intake they have for the “War chest”. 1.85% of $360 is more than 1.85% of $285. Maybe check out what 1.85% of $360 is. I’m sure just a coincidence. Simple arithmetic. ALPA fights for ALPA. Your paycheck reflects that fight. Nothing you individually do will or ever has changed that and furthermore may in fact be detrimental to your career. The only lifting done was saying no to what was previously negotiated. We’ve all said no one time or another. We will get ours eventually as well as will NK with or without us.

I was to in the same boat last March with 6 years in and a solid schedule , it was tough to start over but left for AA, had to look long term . One year in the only thing I miss about NK is the x list .

Year 5 CA on reserve. Submitted apps to DL/UA/AA the day the merger was blocked. Haven’t heard anything yet besides the AA assessment.

Good to hear. I'm assuming you left as a lineholder. How has it been with schedule flexibility?

How long to hold captain at a junior base at AA?

~2.5 years

It's under 2 yrs now. Junior bubbas in LGA and MIA are mid 2022 hires.

There is NO flexibility at AA.

So are we just in limbo until june / july when the appeal is decided on? Not excactly encouraging if management is still just hanging on to the hope of a merger making everything better. Or did miss an email that said more than "we did some lease backs, yay"?

We are going to lose a ton of guys...but maybe thats what they want.

Can confirm. From day 1 was led to believe Delta was by n large a military outfit playing airline, and now having experienced it for myself it is anything but. The crews are awesome, and theres a proud sense of commraderie here. We arent without fault but at least our culture isnt defined by low morale or virtue signaling which is more than can be said for the other two.

https://www.delta.com/us/en/about-delta/diversity


preach brah.

congrats brah you found a webpage that every airline (and frankly most F500 companies) have.
https://careers.spirit.com/diversity-and-inclusion

Theres also a difference between promoting diversity and straight up virtue signaling. id bet blue wouldve laid that redcoat out to dry

it’s only not virtue signaling if you do it and don’t tell anyone or expect a pat on the back.

If you want to look at it from a very simple definition standpoint sure, but as a concept it's a bit more complex than that. Going back to my original statement- I repeat the culture isnt defined by it. never said it was absent.

the answer is always simple and uncomplicated. Nevertheless, congrats and enjoy your new life.

When you filled out your AA application, did it say draft before getting the assessment? Mine says draft in the top right, and I can't figure out how to publish the application.

it’s automatically published with each entry.

How long did it take you to get a call after applying? Did you go to any job fairs?

Try a different browser.

thia is the culture issue everyone sees with Delta….you literally just typed it out. We are the best….we know we are the best….everyone else wants to be us.

no one at Delta ever says hey we’re a pretty good airline! They have to end every sentence with “the other 2(3/4) suck.

At the risk of sounding like a contrarian..... no, they don't.

That's true at every company. We have plenty of people at UA who think their farts don't stink too.

They were abused children.

But it’s true isn’t? :D

Joke aside, all this “cultural”, it’s BS. Every place has their 1%. When I was at Envoy, most people at AA said the same thing about Delta. Now I’m at delta and most senior CA I used to fly said the same thing about AA. So at the end of the day, it’s all the same. “We are great, the other sucks and their culture is not as good, but their contract is better than ours. I know X pilot that makes more than me, or has more days off than me, or I want that from their contract in our contract”. :rolleyes:

Contentment is not a strong pilot trait, especially on the interwebs.....

All of what you typed is pretty far removed from actual realtity.

Been in contact with a few recruiters.. waiting on an interview date at two legacies. Things a bit backed up apparently. Punchin out!

the more of you senior guys and gals that have the experience and resumes to leave actually leave, the more you will be helping out the junior guys from getting furloughed. much appreciated. personally, if I had 10 yrs seniority I wouldn't bet my career on a knee jerk reaction and start over again without at least waiting a little bit to see how things play out. at the end of the day, our NB jets are highly desirable and so are the people to fly them.

Here’s to hoping.

If the town hall was any indication of the future it that this management has zero vision and thinks they just flow up and down with the market.

In a recent UA intro class two of the bottome three in seniority still got upgrade slots. Nor are such slots uncommon:

Yup, it's a relatively lean probation year and more years of reserve after that, but with 5-6 hundred retirements a year and able to make CA as soon as off probation, your family's economic future is a little more assured. Everybody makes choices, it all depends on what you think is best for you and yours.