" I promise you..."

Just for clarification- you will get CA pay after 350 hours. But actual CA training starts once you are off probation and have 500 hours in UAL. That said, maybe only the first half of your new hire year might be a financial step back. After that you should be ok. At least financially if you like being on RSV for some time.

and how long are you seat locked

Two years after making CA generally which essentially means three years. But in August they are going to a general 18 hour long call reserve (with no trips before 10AM on your first reserve day in a group) in an effort to get more commuters to bid for narrow body CA. Plus serious ADD PAY for anyone willing to volunteer for short call. And you can aggressively pick up trips from open time to have at least some control of your own destiny while on reserve.

For those getting an interview, how long did it take to hear back?

Hear back what? The CJO or the class date? The CJO won't happen until the board meets the subsequent Monday. Notification may take anything up to a week after.


Class dates are two months out generally although DEC-JAN took three months.

I submitted app day after merger was blocked. 3 weeks for hogan invite. The day after completing hogan I was offered interview.

Applying to interview invite

Thank you...

About a week APP to Hogan. Completed the Hogan on a Friday night, got the invite the following Monday.

I got the call to both Delta and United. We will see which one will be lucky enough to have an entertaining troll.

That's pretty quick for app to Hogan.. Was the before the merger (blocked) announcment?

Hmm, interesting, that's kind of what I was expecting. However, I applied to all three and no invite for me yet. Good luck to the rest of you. They are lucky to get you guys, we have a great group!

Atlas is hiring all the time. Just got a huge retirement bump, too. Feel free to message if anyone wants details.

Sweet bro! I appreciate it but I’m deciding on my CJO’s between Mesa and AmeriFlight.

don’t forget to post this on the WN page as well.

Pay and retirement continues to improve, good QOL, no jumpseating, and Amazon has proven to be recession/covid proof. 3rd largest cargo carrier in the US and the largest one that's not trying to get rid of pilots. But good luck. If you aren't interested just move on, no need to act like a typical petulant pilot that never grew beyond a 5th grade maturity level.

Haha, don't mind him. Atlas is a good place to be, thanks for the insight

Yeah, don’t mind him, dude ate too many lead paint chips as a kid.

We appreciate the info. Always nice to hear about other options out there besides the big 4.

I am a NB pilot making more than a top paying 747 captain.

Covid proof? You mean like being quarantined in a hotel room in Hong Kong?


better retirement? According to APC, you guys are still doing a 401(k) match.


and let’s not pretend like something can’t happen to Atlas. Any business has its risks.

sorry you didn’t like my answer. Now beat it before I throw my paint chips at you.

IDGAS about your answer or opinion. Troll, yes. Entertaining, not so much. And yes, APC must have better info than a current Atlas pilot about retirement and pay, how silly of me. Being quarantined has nothing to do with business models or economics. Maintaining a paycheck while quarantined does, and Atlas came out pretty good. Try sticking with an argument that's actually logical... or at least coherent. Guess the paint chips had an effect.

As far as being stuck in Hong Kong, sure it sucks. It sucked being stuck in Iraq for 5 months during COVID with the DoD, but maintaining CRT still beats being furloughed and my family didn't have to worry about paying bills.
I'm not inviting you to leave where you are to come to Atlas. I doubt many of us would want to fly with your attitude. Stay on your light twin and enjoy your paycheck. I was talking to those that feel the need to look for something different than where they are now. It's not perfect, but Atlas treats us pretty well.

Hey now! Say what you want about Halon but take it easy on our beloved "light twin" with engine issues! Haha Truth is, we have really enjoyed flying this light twin for Spirit and the great lifestyle it has provided. Now, thanks to one Judges out of touch opinion, myself and some others would like to just continue doing the same thing for a Legacy carrier that offers some stability. I doubt many are looking for something different

Haha... Engine issues? How about the "firebird" in Miami a few weeks back... no offense meant to anyone else. I've spent a lot of my life on one.

It sucks when a non-aviator screws over a pilot group. We dealt with that under former management and forced arbitration. Now he's purple's problem and we all see how well that's going. I hope all of you that feel the need to exit land on your feet at a great carrier.

Haha, yeah saw that, well at least they had 3 good ones! Handled professionally, nice job to the crew. Thanks for the well wishes

there ya go show your true colors.

light twin huh? Well at least our light twin pays more than y’all whale.

small D!ck syndrome seems like you have.

Well that's why I married a petite woman. Seems huge in her tiny hand.
As stated, all the maturity of a petulant 5th grader. In the absence of intelligence move to personal attacks. You represent your airline and profession well.

is that really all you have to say? Pathetic!

"Light twin"
My sides. Here's a guy who doesn't care about any part of his job and long as his ride is big. The equivalent of a short guy with a lifted truck.
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Same as someone who says they have a sports car and then subsequently blathers about Miatas... 😂😂😂

You nailed it... I care nothing about my job. I've never seen the inside of a crash pad, I sit first class just to get to work, don't deal with pax, and make more money than I need to keep my family fed and happy. All while flying a 747 all over the world. I also have a lifted truck!!! Ain't life great!

You still can't address your own failed argument trying to link being quarantined in Hong Kong to a business model. I can make rational, objective statements about what I do for work and why that fits my lifestyle, and why it might be a good fit for someone else. For some reason I just don't feel all that pathetic.

Underpaid,
Under respected,
Under Biden.

I would say you have things pretty well figured out. Don't forget how much your wife's boyfriend enjoys you being gone for 17 days in a row.
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I think your first mistake was coming over here to our page, thinking pilots would want to downgrade to Atlas. I mean you did mean well though.

OK well I don’t commute, don’t have to jumpseat, I don’t have a crash pad either.

But does your aircraft have four engines? That's the only thing that matters.

I think atlas would be a great company for one of our junior pilots living in south Florida and commuting to Las Vegas indefinitely since we don’t have vacancy bids anymore…

Please don't let Halons posts be a reflection of our pilot group! He is the village idiot here! What's really sad is that he thinks he's a "somebody" within our group! Even worse, people keep calling him out on his ridiculous ramblings yet he never gets the message........and he calls others "pathetic"!!! Thanks for your offer to help. Like someone else said, for some Atlas might be a good fit. We all have our reasons for where we want to be. I'm sure a lot of people wonder why I've stayed at Spirit so long......but it works for me! On a side note.....you did lower yourself to his level with the light twin comment!!!

he is a troll too, and you took the bait. I know a troll when I see one…ask me how I know.

Hello - I dont fly for Spirit but I emphasize with your situation. I have friends who do fly at Spirit and I wonder if you've considered flying freight?

Atlas Air (for whom I fly for) and I'm sure others are also hiring. I can only speak for what I know about Atlas and that the company does have plans for expansion...just...needs....pilots! lol

I know this is recruiter language but I'm not making a buck off of you coming over or not. It's just to at least have something to also consider besides the majors.

please tell us, why would a Spirit pilot looking to get out go to Atlas as opposed to United, American, or Delta? Beside that they get the opportunity to help Atlas with its pilot hiring problems?

I dont think "emphasize" means what you think it means, mayby you empathize?

A significant number of the folks on the chopping block spent 6 months or less at a regional (or even came straight from a 172) and have been blocking 10-15 hours a month on reserve. Many likely aren't competitive for a legacy job.