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Lionhaart 02-15-2024 11:14 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3769161)
please tell us, why would a Spirit pilot looking to get out go to Atlas as opposed to United, American, or Delta? Beside that they get the opportunity to help Atlas with its pilot hiring problems?

...Because they're hiring? And class dates once accepted are within a month or two at most so far.

Also chances are many of you live in Florida. Atlas has three fleets with a Florida base.

If you dont' live in Florida Atlas also gateways you so that you can forget about starting at the bottom with crashpads and jumpseating.

Finally - maybe (just maybe) some of you are tired of flying a narrowbody and wonder what flying a big boy would be like.

Lionhaart 02-15-2024 11:16 PM

"I dont think "emphasize" means what you think it means, mayby you empathize?"

That's correct. I meant empathize. Why thank you!

checkgear 02-16-2024 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Lionhaart (Post 3769645)
...Because they're hiring? And class dates once accepted are within a month or two at most so far.

Also chances are many of you live in Florida. Atlas has three fleets with a Florida base.

If you dont' live in Florida Atlas also gateways you so that you can forget about starting at the bottom with crashpads and jumpseating.

Finally - maybe (just maybe) some of you are tired of flying a narrowbody and wonder what flying a big boy would be like.

Yawn, I have a widebody type already and much prefer the flying and schedules on a narrowbody over long haul cargo. To each their own.

vetter 02-16-2024 09:46 AM

Lol. Spirit was never meant to be a forever airline. It's an airline you get your type rating at and then bounce asap. During the interview, you should've faked your way through with smiles and laughs just to get past HR. And never mention anything about moving on. Once you finished IOE is when you should've applied and left long ago. Right now it's too late and it's more competitive.

TallyTarget64 02-16-2024 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by vetter (Post 3769859)
Lol. Spirit was never meant to be a forever airline. It's an airline you get your type rating at and then bounce asap. During the interview, you should've faked your way through with smiles and laughs just to get past HR. And never mention anything about moving on. Once you finished IOE is when you should've applied and left long ago. Right now it's too late and it's more competitive.

Exactly what I did. Off OE in Oct, applied in Nov, interviewed in Dec, class date in May. Got in before the merger block and things became super competitive.

CLE to IAH 02-16-2024 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by SgtV (Post 3768976)
IDGAS about your answer or opinion. Troll, yes. Entertaining, not so much. And yes, APC must have better info than a current Atlas pilot about retirement and pay, how silly of me. Being quarantined has nothing to do with business models or economics. Maintaining a paycheck while quarantined does, and Atlas came out pretty good. Try sticking with an argument that's actually logical... or at least coherent. Guess the paint chips had an effect.

As far as being stuck in Hong Kong, sure it sucks. It sucked being stuck in Iraq for 5 months during COVID with the DoD, but maintaining CRT still beats being furloughed and my family didn't have to worry about paying bills.
I'm not inviting you to leave where you are to come to Atlas. I doubt many of us would want to fly with your attitude. Stay on your light twin and enjoy your paycheck. I was talking to those that feel the need to look for something different than where they are now. It's not perfect, but Atlas treats us pretty well.

Would you say you’re easily offended and take things really personally?

BKbigfish 02-16-2024 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by vetter (Post 3769859)
Lol. Spirit was never meant to be a forever airline. It's an airline you get your type rating at and then bounce asap. During the interview, you should've faked your way through with smiles and laughs just to get past HR. And never mention anything about moving on. Once you finished IOE is when you should've applied and left long ago. Right now it's too late and it's more competitive.

Just out of curiosity… how old are you and how long have you been in the industry?

CatPilot1 02-16-2024 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by BKbigfish (Post 3769906)
Just out of curiosity… how old are you and how long have you been in the industry?

He’s an idiot Spirit passed on a while back.

BKbigfish 02-16-2024 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by CatPilot1 (Post 3769907)
He’s an idiot Spirit passed on a while back.

That checks

loudclouds 02-16-2024 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by vetter (Post 3769859)
Lol. Spirit was never meant to be a forever airline. It's an airline you get your type rating at and then bounce asap. During the interview, you should've faked your way through with smiles and laughs just to get past HR. And never mention anything about moving on. Once you finished IOE is when you should've applied and left long ago. Right now it's too late and it's more competitive.

im shocked spirit gave you the TBNT

SSlow 02-16-2024 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by loudclouds (Post 3769926)
im shocked spirit gave you the TBNT

I know right?

I wonder which red flag tipped them off

vetter 02-16-2024 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by loudclouds (Post 3769926)
im shocked spirit gave you the TBNT

It don't matter bud, my words stand true. Keep hacking it away at spirit, bud. The liquidation is around the corner

CatPilot1 02-16-2024 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by vetter (Post 3769973)
It don't matter bud, my words stand true. Keep hacking it away at spirit, bud. The liquidation is around the corner

Rejection still stinging you! Makes me happy!

Billy Tate 02-16-2024 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by vetter (Post 3769973)
It don't matter bud, my words stand true. Keep hacking it away at spirit, bud. The liquidation is around the corner


Yes it is




filler

loudclouds 02-16-2024 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by vetter (Post 3769973)
It don't matter bud, my words stand true. Keep hacking it away at spirit, bud. The liquidation is around the corner

you used "bud" twice in the same post. are you autistic?

170Till5 02-17-2024 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3766029)
thia is the culture issue everyone sees with Delta….you literally just typed it out. We are the best….we know we are the best….everyone else wants to be us.

no one at Delta ever says hey we’re a pretty good airline! They have to end every sentence with “the other 2(3/4) suck.

this isn’t the culture at all at Delta. Super chill, and ATL is getting better as the new blood is there and the old guys are retiring

Lionhaart 02-17-2024 04:07 PM

I also wanted to add that the way things are currently if you do get a job offer at a major - chances are you'll be in a pool. The window of "23 year old b737 captains at United" is closed.

If you (hopefully not) do get furloughed again right now classes at Atlas are quite quick. If you have a family to support or want to guarantee your currency then do apply.

Who knows? You might find yourself enjoying freight or passenger or military charter.

And for the record - the story of "17 days on the road" at Atlas are as hyperbolic as the "when Spirit goes up, crime goes down" reputation.

Now there are split lines *seven on, seven off or ten on, ten off) and you can bid to have up to 17 days OFF. Depending on where you live you can even end up spending more of your working days at home!

You can choose to ignore this post but again I personally remember what it's like to be on a sinking ship (so to speak) and wished that someone had told me about other options earlier.

Good luck to you.

loudclouds 02-17-2024 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by Lionhaart (Post 3770409)
I also wanted to add that the way things are currently if you do get a job offer at a major - chances are you'll be in a pool. The window of "23 year old b737 captains at United" is closed.

If you (hopefully not) do get furloughed again right now classes at Atlas are quite quick. If you have a family to support or want to guarantee your currency then do apply.

Who knows? You might find yourself enjoying freight or passenger or military charter.

And for the record - the story of "17 days on the road" at Atlas are as hyperbolic as the "when Spirit goes up, crime goes down" reputation.

Now there are split lines *seven on, seven off or ten on, ten off) and you can bid to have up to 17 days OFF. Depending on where you live you can even end up spending more of your working days at home!

You can choose to ignore this post but again I personally remember what it's like to be on a sinking ship (so to speak) and wished that someone had told me about other options earlier.

Good luck to you.

I think for the kid that was hired at 1500 hours right out of a piston who really doesn't have competetive time to go to another major (hell they're not even competetive for the job they have currently anymore), Atlas could be a great option if they get furloughed. I don't think many of the other guys are willing to take that much of a pay-cut or be gone that long from home. Many current pilots at NK are former Atlas guys, many of whom were captains at atlas before going to spirit. There is one I know of personally who was a LCA at Atlas and is now an LCA at spirit.

Noisecanceller 02-17-2024 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by vetter (Post 3769973)
It don't matter bud, my words stand true. Keep hacking it away at spirit, bud. The liquidation is around the corner


Dude get bent

170Till5 02-18-2024 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Lionhaart (Post 3770409)
I also wanted to add that the way things are currently if you do get a job offer at a major - chances are you'll be in a pool. The window of "23 year old b737 captains at United" is closed.

If you (hopefully not) do get furloughed again right now classes at Atlas are quite quick. If you have a family to support or want to guarantee your currency then do apply.

Who knows? You might find yourself enjoying freight or passenger or military charter.

And for the record - the story of "17 days on the road" at Atlas are as hyperbolic as the "when Spirit goes up, crime goes down" reputation.

Now there are split lines *seven on, seven off or ten on, ten off) and you can bid to have up to 17 days OFF. Depending on where you live you can even end up spending more of your working days at home!

You can choose to ignore this post but again I personally remember what it's like to be on a sinking ship (so to speak) and wished that someone had told me about other options earlier.

Good luck to you.

United is still offering captain slots to new hires. And it’s going JUNIOR is new hire class. A buddy of mine is 25 and was awarded captain, and he didn’t want it.

Stop shilling. I would rather go fly at a regional than Atlas

MasterOfPuppets 02-18-2024 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by Lionhaart (Post 3770409)
I also wanted to add that the way things are currently if you do get a job offer at a major - chances are you'll be in a pool. The window of "23 year old b737 captains at United" is closed.

the window isn’t even close to being closed. A bid just closed with 200 unfilled CA slots in the majority of our bases.

MaCrOs 02-18-2024 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by Lionhaart (Post 3770409)
I also wanted to add that the way things are currently if you do get a job offer at a major - chances are you'll be in a pool. The window of "23 year old b737 captains at United" is closed.

If you (hopefully not) do get furloughed again right now classes at Atlas are quite quick. If you have a family to support or want to guarantee your currency then do apply.

Who knows? You might find yourself enjoying freight or passenger or military charter.

And for the record - the story of "17 days on the road" at Atlas are as hyperbolic as the "when Spirit goes up, crime goes down" reputation.

Now there are split lines *seven on, seven off or ten on, ten off) and you can bid to have up to 17 days OFF. Depending on where you live you can even end up spending more of your working days at home!

You can choose to ignore this post but again I personally remember what it's like to be on a sinking ship (so to speak) and wished that someone had told me about other options earlier.

Good luck to you.

OMG this post was a joy to read this morning 😂. Almost sounds like Atlas recruiter who has no idea what's going on in the industry.

Wasntme 02-18-2024 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by MaCrOs (Post 3770612)
OMG this post was a joy to read this morning 😂. Almost sounds like Atlas recruiter who has no idea what's going on in the industry.

things in this industry can change on a dime. Be polite, he’s trying to do you a favor. You never know when the job you turn your nose up at is the only one available.

170Till5 02-18-2024 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by Wasntme (Post 3770618)
things in this industry can change on a dime. Be polite, he’s trying to do you a favor. You never know when the job you turn your nose up at is the only one available.

This Atlas recruiter is trying to recruit based on fear, not by offering a better airline. Atlas only has business based on being the lowest bidder for contract work. FedEx can cut them off tomorrow and then they will be in shambles. And Cargo is not the place to be right now

BBpilot 02-18-2024 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by CatPilot1 (Post 3761798)
attention all pilots: Spirit is closing DFW. All DFW pilots leave immediately. Thank You.

what is your source????

Chimpy 02-18-2024 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by BBpilot (Post 3770667)
what is your source????

lol, my guess is he is kidding because he is a Junuor DFW Pilot

goinaround 02-18-2024 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3770588)
the window isn’t even close to being closed. A bid just closed with 200 unfilled CA slots in the majority of our bases.

Yup that's gonna be going on for a good while. Unfilled bus CA slots as well. Dude has no idea.

MDBUS66 02-19-2024 07:20 AM

Anyone over 45 and 15000 TT get a legacy interview? If so did you go to a job fair or meet and greet?

flensr 02-19-2024 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by MDBUS66 (Post 3771015)
Anyone over 45 and 15000 TT get a legacy interview? If so did you go to a job fair or meet and greet?

One anecdote doesn't make a rule and SWA has pressed pause, but... a few years back, my new-hire group had one guy over 60 with us. So at least SWA isn't hard-wired to exclude older pilots. As far as I know they're still hiring people who like to fly and have a positive attitude while "proving it" during the interview, regardless of age.

Chimpy 02-19-2024 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by MDBUS66 (Post 3771015)
Anyone over 45 and 15000 TT get a legacy interview? If so did you go to a job fair or meet and greet?

why would UAL have an issue with that? Seems to me you’d be exactly what they want because you’d probably jump at the opportunity to upgrade ASAP

MakinUtap 02-19-2024 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by MDBUS66 (Post 3771015)
Anyone over 45 and 15000 TT get a legacy interview? If so did you go to a job fair or meet and greet?

Yes and yes. UA interview next month.

Clue32 02-19-2024 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by 170Till5 (Post 3770568)
I would rather go fly at a regional than Atlas

Well, if I lived in a UA, DL, Or AS base, I might not stay at Atlas. Yes, we can make more money elsewhere, but we will work harder to earn it.

The 767 fleet has mostly split lines with 16 to 20 days OFF per month. I usually fly a single 3-5 hour leg. Mostly day flying. Rarely have less than 12 hour layovers, 15-52 hours is common. I don't do Hub Turns, or Terminal Dashes, or jumpseat, or deal with crashpads.

APC pay rates are 6% low, with 2x 3% raises the next two Septembers. We also have a 12% DC, growing to 14 and 16% over the next 22 months.

I wish you all the best in your searches, and hope that industry forces allow you to stay put and prosper at Spirit if you desire. There is a lot of misleading, inaccurate, or old info about Atlas out there.

Fly Right!

nene 02-20-2024 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3771039)
why would UAL have an issue with that? Seems to me you’d be exactly what they want because you’d probably jump at the opportunity to upgrade ASAP

reminds me of the day wifey was ready to start a family and wanted to confer with a doc after not getting pregnant after stopping 10 yrs of birth control for two months. Doc Said schedule appt for 6months out, she was incensed but when date came with obgyn she was 3 months already preggo....

Sunrig 02-20-2024 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by MDBUS66 (Post 3771015)
Anyone over 45 and 15000 TT get a legacy interview? If so did you go to a job fair or meet and greet?

I did. But that was almost 3 years ago. But I went to a job fair. I got the invite pretty quickly after that.

MDBUS66 02-20-2024 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by Sunrig (Post 3771532)
I did. But that was almost 3 years ago. But I went to a job fair. I got the invite pretty quickly after that.

. Yep - I've probably been riding the NK donkey far too long ..... Thanks for info.

Macjet 02-21-2024 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by MDBUS66 (Post 3771627)
. Yep - I've probably been riding the NK donkey far too long ..... Thanks for info.

You're not alone.

CatPilot1 02-21-2024 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 3771727)
You're not alone.

https://youtu.be/pAyKJAtDNCw?si=jjBcQWhTEhJRHMrE

SSlow 02-21-2024 07:27 AM

I'm curious to see how much I move up the list here in Florida, but I feel like a lot of this is internet tough guy talk and very few CAs actually leave

CatPilot1 02-21-2024 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3771774)
I'm curious to see how much I move up the list here in Florida, but I feel like a lot of this is internet tough guy talk and very few CAs actually leave


it’s the same 3 people

Excargodog 02-21-2024 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3771774)
I'm curious to see how much I move up the list here in Florida, but I feel like a lot of this is internet tough guy talk and very few CAs actually leave


Originally Posted by CatPilot1 (Post 3771783)
it’s the same 3 people

Then I must be flying with an atypical group. Of my last five CAs I flew with three said they were putting apps out and one already had an interview scheduled with UA. The one with the interview scheduled has 11 years at NK.


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