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Old 12-20-2024 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Alexjones
Considering spirit pre bankruptcy spirit was/is majority individual share holder owned. Does any one think chapter 11 may be a temporary stop to screw the individuals out of money

before these larger bond holder take everything in a liquidation during chapter 7.
The screwing has already been done...it's over for shareholders
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Old 12-20-2024 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
BlackRock doesn't own any of Spirit Airlines' debt...
sorry. Citadel. Same thing pretty much
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Old 12-21-2024 | 03:50 AM
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/party-city-going-business-174343913.html

hey guys, I posted this on the other thread but just really wanted to spread the word.

Party City just announced they are folding after being in and out of bankruptcy.


Read the news article and read some of the details about the bankruptcy and how scary some of the similarities are between Spirit and Party City. (in regards to how they are navigating the bankruptcy.)
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Old 12-21-2024 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/party-city-going-business-174343913.
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hey guys, I posted this on the other thread but just really wanted to spread the word.

Party City just announced they are folding after being in and out of bankruptcy.


Read the news article and read some of the details about the bankruptcy and how scary some of the similarities are between Spirit and Party City. (in regards to how they are navigating the bankruptcy.)
See Big Lots too. Sale lease back a bunch of stores, Ch 11 bankruptcy, put up the $200M HQ as collateral for debt financing, supposed to swap debt for equity with creditors and get more financing, CEO cheerleading the whole time...now liquidating.

Cherry on top - Low income consumers reduced spending listed as a factor

Good luck to us.
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Old 12-21-2024 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexjones
Considering spirit pre bankruptcy spirit was/is majority individual share holder owned. Does any one think chapter 11 may be a temporary stop to screw the individuals out of money

before these larger bond holder take everything in a liquidation during chapter 7.
Name checks out.
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Old 12-21-2024 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by NKSpilot
See Big Lots too. Sale lease back a bunch of stores, Ch 11 bankruptcy, put up the $200M HQ as collateral for debt financing, supposed to swap debt for equity with creditors and get more financing, CEO cheerleading the whole time...now liquidating.

Cherry on top - Low income consumers reduced spending listed as a factor

Good luck to us.
I don't see this as a fair comparison. A leased building can be repurposed for pretty much anything, so the playing field is massive. What used to be a Big Lots where I live is already in the process of being turned into a gym, and this was pretty much done overnight.

If we went ch7 the lessor would have so many busted NEOs just sitting around for the next couple years. What airline would want to mess with that?

Also half of our HQ is the training center, which I doubt many industries outside of the airlines would have much use for that kind of building layout.
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Old 12-21-2024 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhdicjkwso
Spirit declare “BUNKRUPTCY!!!!1!” (Chapter 11) to wipe out all the people holding the stock. (Common folk)

the company is now owned by the people that hold the debt eg BlackRock and other big scary private equity. They force the chapter 11 to gain full control of the company then turn around to make big money when they sell the pieces off. In chapter 7.

i think that’s what he’s trying to say.
What pieces! They also dumped in a bunch of cash that we are currently in the process of spending to keep the ship moving. Sounds like a dumb idea.
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Old 12-21-2024 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SSlow
I don't see this as a fair comparison. A leased building can be repurposed for pretty much anything, so the playing field is massive. What used to be a Big Lots where I live is already in the process of being turned into a gym, and this was pretty much done overnight.

If we went ch7 the lessor would have so many busted NEOs just sitting around for the next couple years. What airline would want to mess with that?

Also half of our HQ is the training center, which I doubt many industries outside of the airlines would have much use for that kind of building layout.
The lessors would get an agreement from P&W to mirror ours if they got the planes back. But none of that helps the debt/equity holders. It’s now the lessors plane at that point
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Old 12-22-2024 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by NKSpilot
See Big Lots too. Sale lease back a bunch of stores, Ch 11 bankruptcy, put up the $200M HQ as collateral for debt financing, supposed to swap debt for equity with creditors and get more financing, CEO cheerleading the whole time...now liquidating.

Cherry on top - Low income consumers reduced spending listed as a factor

Good luck to us.
eerily similar scenario. If nobody picks us up out of ch11 we are done
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Old 12-23-2024 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by NKSpilot
See Big Lots too. Sale lease back a bunch of stores, Ch 11 bankruptcy, put up the $200M HQ as collateral for debt financing, supposed to swap debt for equity with creditors and get more financing, CEO cheerleading the whole time...now liquidating.

Cherry on top - Low income consumers reduced spending listed as a factor

Good luck to us.
they got greedy. Prices last time we went in there were nearly the same as Target. They moved from the poor side of town to an affluent area, in the same parking lot complex as Target…

alienate your customer base and that’s what happens.

seems like spirit is on the same path.
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