Frontier asks Spirit to dance-again
#51
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it’s apparent with every post. We are all pilots. We don’t make the decisions that you are in here screaming at us about. We are just numbers, as are you. Write a letter to your management to share your feelings.
#52
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thanks 69.
#53
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ok fair enough. Looks like you’re right. But the point still stands. This disproportionately affects F9. So why should someone be quiet about it.
also, plenty of your guys have come over to F9 forum dropping little nuggets of wisdom about how the model is dead, F9 is next, get out now, ULCC is done. Sorry I can’t post my opinion on the NK forum. Didn’t realize there was a no trespass sign here.
plenty of NK pilots on this forum have said all sorts of thing regarding not wanting to work for Frankie and indigo, or Barry, they were tired of the ULCC model, NK would be better off going alone in BK and trying to emerge as something better.
As far as I’m concerned this is as good of an opportunity as any. Have at it.
also, plenty of your guys have come over to F9 forum dropping little nuggets of wisdom about how the model is dead, F9 is next, get out now, ULCC is done. Sorry I can’t post my opinion on the NK forum. Didn’t realize there was a no trespass sign here.
plenty of NK pilots on this forum have said all sorts of thing regarding not wanting to work for Frankie and indigo, or Barry, they were tired of the ULCC model, NK would be better off going alone in BK and trying to emerge as something better.
As far as I’m concerned this is as good of an opportunity as any. Have at it.
I definitely don’t argue your point. And I see some of your concerns. Obviously the ultra low cost carrier model as we know it is dead, but frontier has ship it as has Spirit . I think Spirit did so too late, but we can’t necessarily fault to other people for saying that the ultra low cost carrier model is dead. All I know is, most of the frontier people that I’ve talked to have been very pleasant, and very open to what’s taking place. Most the Spirit guys that I talk to feel the same way as far as your contract negotiations are concerned, You do realize that a merger would force frontier’s hand to negotiate a new contract. So that wouldn’t be a bad thing either. Look, Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but there is a way to express that opinion that doesn’t come across as angry or hostile. That’s all I’m trying to say.
#54
from the union “your MEC was not informed of any of these discussions prior to today’s public announcement.”
how much longer is the union going to walk around with their pants down letting the company keep information secret from them? Seems we get these emails every week saying “ company didn’t inform us, we will fight this!”
laugh
how much longer is the union going to walk around with their pants down letting the company keep information secret from them? Seems we get these emails every week saying “ company didn’t inform us, we will fight this!”
laugh
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I definitely don’t argue your point. And I see some of your concerns. Obviously the ultra low cost carrier model as we know it is dead, but frontier has ship it as has Spirit . I think Spirit did so too late, but we can’t necessarily fault to other people for saying that the ultra low cost carrier model is dead. All I know is, most of the frontier people that I’ve talked to have been very pleasant, and very open to what’s taking place. Most the Spirit guys that I talk to feel the same way as far as your contract negotiations are concerned, You do realize that a merger would force frontier’s hand to negotiate a new contract. So that wouldn’t be a bad thing either. Look, Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but there is a way to express that opinion that doesn’t come across as angry or hostile. That’s all I’m trying to say.
Again I harbor no ill will at NK or it’s pilots.
#56
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sounds like a deal to me. In the end, we all fall victim to whatever our management and our investors think is best. Unfortunately, we are at their mercy. But as pilots, we’re all in it for the same reasons. Do what we love, make good money at it, and have a good quality of life. Hopefully everybody is able to continue to do that. Thanks for the good conversation.
#57
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WN made an offer for F9 several years ago. Once the offer was made, it allowed WN to look under the hood. WN took a look and stood with their offer. Brian Bedford came in and bought F9. Didn't go so well. It is funny to see some of these comments without regard of airlines simply doing business. We never know what the thought process is in a purchase offer. Rule number 2, never take financial from a pilot. Rule number 1 concerns marital advice. We should always hope for the best for our industry brothers and sisters. In the end, its all just dumb luck.
Thats not what happened. WN made a bid contingent on the pilot groups agreeing to an SLI as part of their offer. The Judge rejected any contingencies attached to any offer. The only other offer on the table was Repubic who already had a fee for departure contract with F9. and they used what was owed as partial payment for the entire company along with $109 million.
#58
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well thank god you cleared that up. I guess airline Pilot central can just close down now. Who would’ve known this whole time we just need to write management instead of posting on a message board. A message board with the intended purpose of posting one’s opinion
thanks 69.
thanks 69.
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