Spirit Now Sure As It Emerges From Bankruptcy
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Look at Alaska and Hawaiian. Totally different route structures and overlaps compared to Spirit JetBlue, but they got their deal approved under the exact same administration. If the DOJ was just “block everything,” they’d have killed that one too.
Not only that, the merger guidelines used to block Spirit JetBlue weren’t some new anti business invention. In fact the merger guidelines are one of the few things the current administration rolled over from the last administration, and most of it is just restating antitrust law that’s been around for over a century. That’s one big reason we’re not seeing the M&A boom everyone was calling for.
This is straight from the current DOJ:
"Ms. Slater elaborated on her rationale for continued use of the guidelines in her answer: [FTC] Chairman [Andrew] Ferguson has explained that the Merger Guidelines work best when there is stability across administrations... He further explained that much of what is in the current merger guidelines simply restates longstanding law"
https://www.justice.gov/atr/media/1389861/dl?inline
#1002
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From: A320 captain
10Q states they have 21 Airbus not in utilization and planned for future sale and “available for immediate sale”.
So basically “we have planes we don’t want or need and you can buy an Airbus, or 21, today if you want”
Also, Ted got over $4m to walk away and lifetime flight benefits on the airline too.
So basically “we have planes we don’t want or need and you can buy an Airbus, or 21, today if you want”
Also, Ted got over $4m to walk away and lifetime flight benefits on the airline too.
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#1004
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Let’s stop blaming the judge. Spirit management told us the JetBlue deal would be problematic, but few listened.
Frontier made a second attempt at a merger, and they were turned away again.
I’m hoping the pilots and other Spirit employees come out successfully on the other side of this.
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Truth. Most believe the Frontier Spirt Deal would have been approved and made sense. Am I mistaken but didn’t Frontier make an offer to buy/merge with Spirt again around the end of the Chapter 11 process? Wouldn’t it be better to merge with Frontier vs Chapter 7 which appears to me eminent? Hoping all the pilots have a soft landing somewhere. Hang in there.
#1006
Yeah, the administration owns part of this mess, but let’s not pretend they’re the only ones at fault. Shareholders and JetBlue shoulder most of it. TC, for all his faults, went on multiple news shows saying the JetBlue deal probably wouldn’t make it past regulators and that Frontier was the smarter play. The market agreed, Spirit stock never got anywhere near JetBlue’s offer price because Wall Street knew the risk was high. Shareholders still chased the bigger number and ignored the odds. That’s greed, plain and simple. Would Sprontier be killing it today? Maybe, maybe not but they’d sure as hell be putting up more of a fight than they are flying solo.
Look at Alaska and Hawaiian. Totally different route structures and overlaps compared to Spirit JetBlue, but they got their deal approved under the exact same administration. If the DOJ was just “block everything,” they’d have killed that one too.
Not only that, the merger guidelines used to block Spirit JetBlue weren’t some new anti business invention. In fact the merger guidelines are one of the few things the current administration rolled over from the last administration, and most of it is just restating antitrust law that’s been around for over a century. That’s one big reason we’re not seeing the M&A boom everyone was calling for.
This is straight from the current DOJ:
"Ms. Slater elaborated on her rationale for continued use of the guidelines in her answer: [FTC] Chairman [Andrew] Ferguson has explained that the Merger Guidelines work best when there is stability across administrations... He further explained that much of what is in the current merger guidelines simply restates longstanding law"
https://www.justice.gov/atr/media/1389861/dl?inline
Look at Alaska and Hawaiian. Totally different route structures and overlaps compared to Spirit JetBlue, but they got their deal approved under the exact same administration. If the DOJ was just “block everything,” they’d have killed that one too.
Not only that, the merger guidelines used to block Spirit JetBlue weren’t some new anti business invention. In fact the merger guidelines are one of the few things the current administration rolled over from the last administration, and most of it is just restating antitrust law that’s been around for over a century. That’s one big reason we’re not seeing the M&A boom everyone was calling for.
This is straight from the current DOJ:
"Ms. Slater elaborated on her rationale for continued use of the guidelines in her answer: [FTC] Chairman [Andrew] Ferguson has explained that the Merger Guidelines work best when there is stability across administrations... He further explained that much of what is in the current merger guidelines simply restates longstanding law"
https://www.justice.gov/atr/media/1389861/dl?inline
#1007
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Truth. Most believe the Frontier Spirt Deal would have been approved and made sense. Am I mistaken but didn’t Frontier make an offer to buy/merge with Spirt again around the end of the Chapter 11 process? Wouldn’t it be better to merge with Frontier vs Chapter 7 which appears to me eminent? Hoping all the pilots have a soft landing somewhere. Hang in there.
Most likely, at the time, they were thinking what they could get, by going to Chapter 7, was more than F9 was offering. These people don't really care about the interest of the employees. It's business to them. Only we would think about saving jobs. We are always the ones that will be served up on the plate.
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