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Old 08-12-2025 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
The debt holders will get paid first ahead of everyone else, even employee wages. To say "they won't get a dime" is not even close. They literally get every penny until their "senior secured notes" are paid off. That's why they agreed to the DIP financing and convert their debt to the highest priority debt possible, plus take control of the company.

The fully functioning airline is a big money loser. Its all leveraged and loses more than it makes. Its a huge liability. Unfortunately its worth more liquidated to the people making the decisions and the ones who took the financial risk.
I don’t disagree with any of this…what I don’t understand is, why wait and burn through another $250M (or any amount for that matter) if the most likely outcome at this point is liquidation? If they don’t see a viable path forward, why not pull the plug now and keep as much as they can?
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Old 08-12-2025 | 07:44 PM
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Hudson: “Game over, man!!! Game over!”
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Old 08-12-2025 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LongHornFlyer
I don’t disagree with any of this…what I don’t understand is, why wait and burn through another $250M (or any amount for that matter) if the most likely outcome at this point is liquidation? If they don’t see a viable path forward, why not pull the plug now and keep as much as they can?
Because the bond holders would get way more ROI in a ch11/merger scenario than straight ch7 liquidation.
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Old 08-12-2025 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
Because the bond holders would get way more ROI in a ch11/merger scenario than straight ch7 liquidation.
They absolutely would, but they’ve already tried the CH11 scenario and the merger scenarios were rejected or blocked.

Maybe one more shot at a Hail Mary Merger? Would be great to see but man it’s a lot of risk for any of the contenders… not many airlines have the balance sheet to take over an operation with such a high cash burn, and the ones that do would still have to spend even more on paint, fleet conformity, training, and so much more. All of that takes even more investment and time.
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Old 08-13-2025 | 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
. When the company states they have “substantial doubt” about staying in business, who is booking their family vacation on that?
I’m sure most Spirit passengers are poring over that 10K filing.
Nor would passengers at any airline.
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Old 08-13-2025 | 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by APCbot
Plus doesn't American have the most debt? So what's another $2 Billion?
AA could just pay cash if they wanted to…
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Old 08-13-2025 | 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
All they’d have had to do was “agree” to not do what bugged the doj. Particularly the part about completely eliminating the spirit brand and growing their own. Just fake lit like everyone else. The “plan” doesn’t have to work. And of course per the officials, JB never once attempted to find any middle ground. A few optics here and there to appear as if their intent was genuine.

See it for how you want but a conservative judge of 40 freaking years that has a history of siding in favor of mergers……..::just doesn’t know the law? Like we pilots know better than him? Heck even TC knew the law and success was highly unlikely.
Middle ground? They begged the DOJ to follow past precedent and allow concessions to not sue to block.

JetBlue wanted Spirit. The goal was not to put them out of business.

The Biden DOJ argue the Sherman Act which had never been argued before in an airline merger.

This is on the DOJ, not JetBlue.
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Old 08-13-2025 | 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
I’m sure most Spirit passengers are poring over that 10K filing.
Nor would passengers at any airline.

I didn’t look at the filing. Learned of it from a spirit passenger that posted it to social media. The comments are an indication that spirit is in a deep stall with insufficient altitude to recover.
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Old 08-13-2025 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
I’m sure most Spirit passengers are poring over that 10K filing.
Nor would passengers at any airline.
other than it’s all over the media, radio, and just on CNN? yeah, no one is paying attention.
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Old 08-13-2025 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
Middle ground? They begged the DOJ to follow past precedent and allow concessions to not sue to block.

JetBlue wanted Spirit. The goal was not to put them out of business.

The Biden DOJ argue the Sherman Act which had never been argued before in an airline merger.

This is on the DOJ, not JetBlue.
JB has not made a nickel in years. So your solution was to tie 2 loosing companies together and that would fix everything? Please explain how?? The model doesnt work.
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