That would mean you’d have to know for a fact that in 9-12 mo you’ll have the answer to whether or not spirit will continue to exist or not.

I’m pretty sure in some cases it’s a lot quicker than 9-12mo from app to class date.

Either way let’s say class date comes rolling around and you still don’t know for certain what spirits fate is. You can’t exactly tell the legacy no even if your preferred outcome is to stay at spirit.

Now what?

Thats exactly why some of us haven’t bought that insurance plan yet.

2000 seniority numbers used to be a lot and arguably it still is but it’s a lot less now on these 18k pilot lists, but if Spirit is near the end the difference between now and then isn’t going to be that much, assuming you get hired soon after “the end”.

 

that we know about. Too much to unpack to attempt to answer.

isn’t points redemption counted as a revenue fare? Like bank of points buys the ticket on the behalf of the customer? Counted in the first profit category? So remove these points flights. They are estimated at 18-20% of revenue fares. Do you think they could survive even if half those tickets were bought by people and not points? If they lost 9% of their loads/revenue/passengers whatever.

credit card income is a check sent to United from chase or whoever as payment for their name on the card basically. Counted in the second category?

with points being diluted the ROI on interest payments has to be insane at 20-30% interest. Looking at profits of credit cards says yes. and the more diluted the points are the more revenue they make. Small points back means it takes what 30k spend on the card to buy that one leg from den to Omaha, but if it’s not paid off that month the finance charge is 6k plus.

My point no pun intended is the points game is very very very lucrative. It has given 3 -1/2 airlines their business model and made them into basically a protected class of company. If that were removed they would fold in my opinion unable to make a profit.

 

People with airline credit cards aren’t carrying a balance and paying finance charges.

The one thing I will say is that outside of living in a fortress hub the cards do not make sense for most people and I think that most people understand that. However in these fortress hubs ever middle class and up family has the card for that airline. That’s millions of people. They have the card bc they are flying that airline no matter what so may as well get whatever diluted rewards they can.

I wonder what the percentage of people is that carry a dedicated airline card in places like NYC or LA where all the big three have big operations.

 

Only passengers buying ticket is counted in ticket revenue. All other sales, including buying the wifi and paying for an upgraded seat at the gate or even on the plane, is "other revenue".

It makes no sense that United and Delta can charge $8k for a first class seat and put 60 of those on a WB and fly it to Asia and somehow is not profitable, but Frontier can fly around with the cheapest passengers ever and be profitable.

United and Delta are profitable even without that revenue. Airlines don't make money off the interest people pay on their credit cards. Its only when they redeem miles, and the credit card company buys them a ticket just like your employer might buy you a ticket.

Airline credit cards has to be the most misunderstood conspiracy closely approaching flat earth and chemtrails.

 

Except even that is different on a multiple type fleet because of the domino effect. Savaging the probationary FOs and displacing the junior CAs saves you so damn little relative to the money spent recertifying people in previous equipment - the 777 guy reverts to his old 757 job pushing the 757 guy back into the 737 or 320…

You wind up driving up training costs astronomically with massive switching of seats and fleets, everybody gets paid at their old rates in the interim, you pay for lots of downtime, for moves, for furlough pay…and when you are retiring 600+ a year anyway…?

can’t say it won’t happen with a big enough economic black swan, but if the country is hit that hard economically do you really think that NK would be immune. Don’t get me wrong, there may be perfectly good individual reasons to not give up on NK, but I’m not at all sure the “too big to not furlough more than 2000 junior FOs is one of them.

 

1 to be exact. Do you have some undiagnosed freakish fetish that gets off on looking down on people that aren’t in your position? Really gotta ask yourself this question. Your posts are incredibly cold and useless. Somehow I believe you’re a different person without the keyboard. Otherwise delta would have no need for you.

 

He’s really putting the “Delta” in Delta pilot. Guys like him are probably one of the main reason why some LCC pilots refuse to go over there. Flying with people that constantly think they’re superior than others must be awesome. They think the company actually values them and that they’re special that’s why they get paid so much.

 

You missed the point completely. I have no problem with people who left. I was calling those who come back here to tell everyone else after they left that those who stayed won't have a job at the end of the year "scum".

 

What post have I said anything negative about American? Or any other airline or their pilot group? I certainly don't stalk other airlines forums telling their pilots they won't have jobs...

 

You've posted this before, and it makes zero sense. You definitely have a better idea of where Spirit is heading now than you did 9-12 months ago. The app/interview process can go quickly or take a long time. Worst case scenario, you interview and decide not to take the job and ride out Spirit. All it costs you is a bit of time.