Spirt filed for Chapter 11 again
12-30-2025 | 07:08 PM
#711
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- General definition
A concession is something you give up, allow, or agree to—often reluctantly—in order to reach an agreement or avoid conflict.
Leaving a 12 yr Ca position to be a first year Fo witch a much worse pay and schedule no matter how temporary would by definition be a concession.
12-31-2025 | 09:07 AM
#712
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
If somebody buys a big chunk of planes and gates, would they maybe want the employees too so as to continue operations? Possibly, but that's their choice.
Also, when push comes to shove union contract provisions do not supersede bankruptcy proceedings.
12-31-2025 | 09:10 AM
#713
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
- General definition
A concession is something you give up, allow, or agree to—often reluctantly—in order to reach an agreement or avoid conflict.
Leaving a 12 yr Ca position to be a first year Fo witch a much worse pay and schedule no matter how temporary would by definition be a concession.
A "concession" is in the context of an agreement, transaction, or relationship. Leaving removes you from all of that.
12-31-2025 | 10:56 AM
#714
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I was pretty lazy at NK and though true for first year, I'l make 2nd year what I made as a 12 Year CA before I left, and most certainly more than I would have with the Jan 1 Concessionary new pay rate. The only major concession is being an F/O to some pretty inexperienced CAs but that's more of an Ego thing than anything else, lol. So yes, the first 12 months were tough financially but the schedule I have now is superior to anything I ever had at NK, I'm sure mostly because I was ACY Based.
So for any NK CAs that are stuck on RSV or have a 75-85hr line, you can absolutely make what you're making as a 2nd year F/O. The one thing that obviously helps this is living in base.
Also don't forget things like 18% DC and Profit Sharing which I think this year is something like a months pay.
ONE LAST THING. The 737 is a Huge Concession, lol.
So for any NK CAs that are stuck on RSV or have a 75-85hr line, you can absolutely make what you're making as a 2nd year F/O. The one thing that obviously helps this is living in base.
Also don't forget things like 18% DC and Profit Sharing which I think this year is something like a months pay.
ONE LAST THING. The 737 is a Huge Concession, lol.
12-31-2025 | 10:59 AM
#715
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Spirit is about to pivot to a strategic transaction at a premium price and pilots are going to get their $280 million when the airline is sold. Spirit is not liquidating and never was. The question now is who is going to pay the most to acquire them. Will it be Southwest like I have been saying or will it be Frontier, Alaska, or American? My bet is still on Southwest. To all the gloom and doomers that have been spreading FUD for the last 4 months you are about to be proven wrong.
12-31-2025 | 11:00 AM
#716
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[QUOTE=Chimpy;3987055]I was pretty lazy at NK and though true for first year, I'l make 2nd year what I made as a 12 Year CA before I left, and most certainly more than I would have with the Jan 1 Concessionary new pay rate. The only major concession is being an F/O to some pretty inexperienced CAs but that's more of an Ego thing than anything else, lol. So yes, the first 12 months were tough financially but the schedule I have now is superior to anything I ever had at NK, I'm sure mostly because I was ACY Based.
Let’s hope the chickens don’t come home to roost again as they did a couple of years ago. The flying public needs to get a load of this statement. Woowzers.
Let’s hope the chickens don’t come home to roost again as they did a couple of years ago. The flying public needs to get a load of this statement. Woowzers.
12-31-2025 | 11:29 AM
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Im not arguing your point because it’s well known that you can but I hate the comparison highlighted. It leaves out the other part of the equation which is a much bigger part of the equation for me. Time. I left a job years ago that paid better than I still make today as a captain. I didn’t leave for the money. I left for the time.
12-31-2025 | 12:51 PM
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Im not arguing your point because it’s well known that you can but I hate the comparison highlighted. It leaves out the other part of the equation which is a much bigger part of the equation for me. Time. I left a job years ago that paid better than I still make today as a captain. I didn’t leave for the money. I left for the time.
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