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Old 09-10-2025 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyhigh44
if someone was there acquire the assets planes gates buildings, they would need a certain amount of pilots f/a and mechanics to operate those assets
Originally Posted by emergencyexit
You’re right. But do you know how long conformity takes on a plane when acquired? They don’t hire pilots and f/a’s to sit around and wait. They will re hire when needed. Why take a 15 year captain when they can upgrade from within on the 3-4 year pay scale instead.

Whoever does it will cherry pick the assets. It’s cleaner and cheaper this way.
Not to feed the fear mongering trolls but read up on NMB "single carrier" under the RLA and the McCaskill bond statue.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CatPilot1
Crap. I just closed on my new house with my Spirit captain pay while knowing I’d already accepted a class date with United. The loan was based on pay checks that I knew before hand weren’t going to continue. What kind of trouble have I exposed myself too?
Hypothetically if this was a real question...

No trouble, assuming you were employed as an NK CA when you submitted and signed the relevant docs.

You could legally buy a massive house with loans based on W2 and then quit your job the day after it closed. Whether you can make your payments is a different issue, but defaulting is not inherently fraud.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
Not to feed the fear mongering trolls but read up on NMB "single carrier" under the RLA and the McCaskill bond statue.
Basically anybody buying parts, who just wants the parts, knows how to avoid triggering single carrier provisions.

There have been a few rare cases in the past where certain fleets were acquired with their pilots, but that's a lot harder today because I'm pretty sure that now you would have to take the pilots in seniority order, even if not qualified on the type. Unless it was a very senior fleet (eg. 777), it probably just makes sense for an acquiring carrier to train/hire internally. Although in the case of NK all the pilots are qualified on the type.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
Not to feed the fear mongering trolls but read up on NMB "single carrier" under the RLA and the McCaskill bond statue.
This has nothing to do with fear mongering. It’s just the facts. Assets sales are a different animal than the reference you just pointed out.

If a pilot stays because they think their seniority number will be taken with a new carrier, this kind of stuff is important to understand, because it most likely won’t.

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Old 09-10-2025 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by emergencyexit
This has nothing to do with fear mongering. It’s just the facts. Assets sales are a different animal than the reference you just pointed out.

If a pilot stays because they think their seniority number will be taken with a new carrier, this kind of stuff is important to understand, because it most likely won’t.
I agree, in my time in the wringer, I often heard the advice to not pay any attention, you don’t have any control, etc. I think you need to assess the situation, weigh risks of various options, and prepare accordingly.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by emergencyexit
This has nothing to do with fear mongering. It’s just the facts. Assets sales are a different animal than the reference you just pointed out.

If a pilot stays because they think their seniority number will be taken with a new carrier, this kind of stuff is important to understand, because it most likely won’t.
You don't know if the McCaskill bond clause will get triggered anymore than I do. You are in here preaching certain doom and gloom when you don't know anymore than the rest of us. Everyone here is very aware of the possible situations. "Someone can take the planes, they don’t have to take the pilots. There’s no good reason to either." - Get out of here with that crap and have some respect.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Eddie Felson
weigh risks of various options, and prepare accordingly.
Thank you for sharing something that hasn't been posted in here 3,563 times already...
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Old 09-10-2025 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
Thank you for sharing something that hasn't been posted in here 3,563 times already...
Um, this is sound advice, sir…that I need to hear EVERY SINGLE F🤬🤬KING DAY! I really don’t know what I would do without these saints telling me to weigh my options. I WILL NOT WEIGH MY OPTIONS, nor will I prepare accordingly! I would be completely lost wondering what to do with my hands and wearing my skivvies on the outside of my trousers.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by LongHornFlyer
Um, this is sound advice, sir…that I need to hear EVERY SINGLE F🤬🤬KING DAY! I really don’t know what I would do without these saints telling me to weigh my options. I WILL NOT WEIGH MY OPTIONS, nor will I prepare accordingly! I would be completely lost wondering what to do with my hands and wearing my skivvies on the outside of my trousers.

I just don't know what to do anymore.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear
I just don't know what to do anymore.
Ask Eddie Felson…he’ll tell you exactly what to do
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