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Bgood 04-17-2026 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 4024040)
I never understood why B6 cadets have this hate towards NK. I know its not all but a GOOD MAJORITY have this ill hate. I know during their indoc CEO would come in and plant the hate seed but holy Sh*t !

You know it's a good majority how? Show your work before you paint with such a broad brush, and I hope you're not making that conclusion due to APC comments :D. Otherwise, don't make sheit up that's not there. No one talks about NK in indoc, they are too busy giving out the blue juice.:rolleyes:

Maybe it's your way of feeling good if you tell yourself you have haters?

rickair7777 04-17-2026 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by loganeich (Post 4024439)
An airline in bankruptcy almost needs to be forced to put up a repatriation pot of money for customers. If they go under, customers would be purchased a flight back home on another carrier from that money/insurance policy. I had a friend ask me if they should purchase a flight on Spirit and I had to warn them of the risks. At some point, the bad news on TV starts a death spiral that will make recovery impossible. I feel for everybody that is having to go through the current situation as an employee.

Many other industries take money before delivery, or have ongoing obligations to customers (ex. automotive warranty).

Many or most companies that are in the position to file BK in the first place would be forced into immediate liquidation if they had to post bond for all customer obligations.

PSU Flyer 04-17-2026 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by SmitteyB (Post 4023979)
It is humiliating that you are a JetBlue pilot.

Spirit pilots - that is not indicative of B6 sentiment towards you folks. Wishing you nothing but the best.

For the record, based on this guys post history, I don’t think he is or ever was a JetBlue pilot.

8JRMfortheyear 04-17-2026 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 4024471)
You know it's a good majority how? Show your work before you paint with such a broad brush, and I hope you're not making that conclusion due to APC comments :D. Otherwise, don't make sheit up that's not there. No one talks about NK in indoc, they are too busy giving out the blue juice.:rolleyes:

Maybe it's your way of feeling good if you tell yourself you have haters?

No APC conclusions my boy. Some of your cadet just run their mouth bashing spirit . Maybe not in your indoc, but there’s many instances that upper management will stroll through and talk shirt about NK .

tzskipper1 04-17-2026 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4024480)
Many other industries take money before delivery, or have ongoing obligations to customers (ex. automotive warranty).

Many or most companies that are in the position to file BK in the first place would be forced into immediate liquidation if they had to post bond for all customer obligations.

In cases similar to NK's, the credit card companies routinely increase the "holdback" money (a percentage of the price of a purchased ticket). This is held back money that (I believe) the credit card companies pay the airline once the purchased flight is completed. So in a sense, if the airline shuts down, a ticket purchased with a credit card can be refunded back to the affected passenger.

The "holdback" by the credit card companies cut both ways though; it places limits on a carriers cash flow at a time most needed.

Again, this is all from memory of a past experience. Truly wish the best for the NK employees.

S

Agratefulflyer 04-17-2026 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 4024428)
Dysgraphia paired with a hint of emotional instability—the classic autistic one-two punch.

parroting your children’s psychologist won’t help you sound smarter bud! Pack it up.

FriendlyPilot 04-17-2026 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by tzskipper1 (Post 4024491)
In cases similar to NK's, the credit card companies routinely increase the "holdback" money (a percentage of the price of a purchased ticket). This is held back money that (I believe) the credit card companies pay the airline once the purchased flight is completed. So in a sense, if the airline shuts down, a ticket purchased with a credit card can be refunded back to the affected passenger.

The "holdback" by the credit card companies cut both ways though; it places limits on a carriers cash flow at a time most needed.

US Bank, Spirit's credit card processor is actually holding most of Spirit's "cash on hand" to do just this, refund tickets in the event Spirit closes doors.

In other news Spirit filed its February operating report and even after all the cost cutting and returning leases is still had an operating loss of $58M in February, over $2M a day. I can't imagine that's not at least $4M a day now with fuel prices where they are.

N152SY 04-17-2026 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 4024409)
This whole deal reminds me of watching the weather forecast in the midwest. One channel leads with the possibility of strong storms, large hail, and tornadoes. The other channels jump onboard and all of a sudden they act like the end of the world is coming. Usually nothing happens, but when it eventually does they stand proudly and say that they told us so. Spirit is definitely in very serious trouble but the media seems more concerned with partaking in the hype than simply reporting the facts. If it bleeds it leads I guess.

wow. This reminds me 💯 of my time in MSP. One station says we’re going to get 57 inches of snow,then another station jumps in,then NWS panic forecasts - then about 12 hours out the storm “shifts” and we end up with a dusting of snow. 🤣

westcoastj 04-17-2026 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 4024503)
US Bank, Spirit's credit card processor is actually holding most of Spirit's "cash on hand" to do just this, refund tickets in the event Spirit closes doors.

In other news Spirit filed its February operating report and even after all the cost cutting and returning leases is still had an operating loss of $58M in February, over $2M a day. I can't imagine that's not at least $4M a day now with fuel prices where they are.

ouch that hurts.

Jdub2 04-17-2026 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 4024503)
In other news Spirit filed its February operating report and even after all the cost cutting and returning leases is still had an operating loss of $58M in February, over $2M a day. I can't imagine that's not at least $4M a day now with fuel prices where they are.

I see an operating loss of $28M but a net loss of $130M. Where did you see $58M? And what was the $90M reorg expenses??
Stated in monthly terms instead of daily, $63.6M of fuel expenses... so $124M/mth in fuel now. Ouch


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