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06-23-2015, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
IOT denied because the days are in the RED. DOT denied because the days are in the RED. The trips that I wanted to SWAP went to new hires and my days are now in the GREEN. The trips are gone to new hires and the days are now in the GREEN. Well that is just great. The union needs to fix this because every month this happens to me.
06-23-2015, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Judge Smails
Quit your complaining.... Like qotsa said...you beat every new hire in your line bid, vacation bid, and IOT. Sorry you got butthurt in DOT, but that's the game. BTW, I'm a pretty senior FO and have lost out in DOT to junior guys too, and I have no problem with that. Everybody should have a shot to improve their line.
06-23-2015, 04:36 PM
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I agree everyone should be able to improve their situation. However the person with higher seniority should have first dibbs. That is how it should work.
06-23-2015, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
I agree everyone should be able to improve their situation. However the person with higher seniority should have first dibbs. That is how it should work.
I'm middle of the pack and I think this is a pretty fair system.
Unless you add a secondary open time, there is no way to have instantaneous trip trade, but in seniority order.
06-23-2015, 04:55 PM
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I think your missing my point. DOT it is first come first serve which I think is fair. If several people try to trade at the same time then it goes the the most senior. If the days are in the RED then essentially I am being blocked and can't trade anything. I should have every chance just as the next person to pick up trips or trade. Every time I have a group of days in the RED, they go Green, but only after the trips I tried for are gone. I just don't think that is fair.
By the way when I was the plug, everything was RED any way so it made no difference of my seniority. I flew what was given to me and had no chance to make my schedule better. Glad that the "mostly RED Days" are gone for the new plug.
By the way when I was the plug, everything was RED any way so it made no difference of my seniority. I flew what was given to me and had no chance to make my schedule better. Glad that the "mostly RED Days" are gone for the new plug.
06-23-2015, 05:12 PM
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Now im ready for a Matias/Slotten fast track/ focused negotiations TA by the end of the week. No doubt I will put it right in the trash
06-23-2015, 05:17 PM
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I can see what you mean with the red/green issues, but how do we fix it?
Surely we wouldn't collectively rather a daily submission of pickups/drops/swaps that get processed every night, would we?
Personally, I love the instantaneous OT and wouldn't want to get rid of it. The only other idea I can think of is to split the IOT into two 24 hour periods; Initial Open Time, Secondary Initial Open Time and then the free-for-all DOT.
Surely we wouldn't collectively rather a daily submission of pickups/drops/swaps that get processed every night, would we?
Personally, I love the instantaneous OT and wouldn't want to get rid of it. The only other idea I can think of is to split the IOT into two 24 hour periods; Initial Open Time, Secondary Initial Open Time and then the free-for-all DOT.
06-23-2015, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
I agree everyone should be able to improve their situation. However the person with higher seniority should have first dibbs. That is how it should work.
Yea? Well the senior pilots should not sell out those below them but that's how it works because life isn't fair and most people would kick you in the nuts if it saved them a buck.
That's how we ended up at 37.5/hr right?
06-23-2015, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by skipro101
Yea? Well the senior pilots should not sell out those below them but that's how it works because life isn't fair and most people would kick you in the nuts if it saved them a buck.
That's how we ended up at 37.5/hr right?
That's how we ended up at 37.5/hr right?
06-23-2015, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by falcon2000aj
Yep, and the rest of the pay scales up to year 7..., funny why they chose year 7.. Of course I'm referring to 2010 dollars and not the current industry avg..
Yup was thinking about that too. But hey, everyone 6 years and under were junior and anything that gives more to people senior is fair.
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