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Old 06-26-2015, 04:06 PM
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"a 46 million dollar gap over the course of a proposed five-year agreement remains"

Here goes my attempt at math and logic;

46 million/1200 pilots = $38,333 per pilot.
Divided by 60 months = $638 per pilot per month
Divided by 72 hour guarantee = $8.87 per hour.

Whatever it is the union is proposing to the company, they don't seem that far apart to me.
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Old 06-26-2015, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by willflyforcash View Post
"a 46 million dollar gap over the course of a proposed five-year agreement remains"

Here goes my attempt at math and logic;

46 million/1200 pilots = $38,333 per pilot.
Divided by 60 months = $638 per pilot per month
Divided by 72 hour guarantee = $8.87 per hour.

Whatever it is the union is proposing to the company, they don't seem that far apart to me.
Also keep in mind, the average number of pilots will be much higher than 1200 pilots over the next 5 years based on the aircraft delivery schedule.
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Old 06-26-2015, 04:37 PM
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Also keep in mind, the average number of pilots will be much higher than 1200 pilots over the next 5 years based on the aircraft delivery schedule.
Good point. So if that number projected additional hiring perhaps its only $4/ hour. But dont get lost in the math. Unless we know the package don't focus on the hourly rate. Its quite possible that these screws made work rule concessions to get a few more bucks. They've done it before
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Old 06-26-2015, 04:58 PM
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Good point. So if that number projected additional hiring perhaps its only $4/ hour. But dont get lost in the math. Unless we know the package don't focus on the hourly rate. Its quite possible that these screws made work rule concessions to get a few more bucks. They've done it before
Hmmm, $4/hr on the top end of the pay scale vs. losing work rules? No way. But if the improvements to retirement are substantial, I definitely say fight hard.
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Old 06-26-2015, 05:06 PM
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Hmmm, $4/hr on the top end of the pay scale vs. losing work rules? No way. But if the improvements to retirement are substantial, I definitely say fight hard.
Can someone explain to me how our NC negotiated for months based on our surveys when the surveys were just completed. They wouldn't have had time to even tally up the results let alone analyze the results.
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Old 06-26-2015, 05:36 PM
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The company is going to have a tough time making through the summer. Between the pilots and flight attendants, let's see them make it through another IROP without our help. I am sure their jobs will be on the line. So much for integrity, Benuri. I thought you were going to get us a fare deal. We better see current JB rates and then an annual increase. That's fare!
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Old 06-26-2015, 05:47 PM
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We better see current JB rates and then an annual increase. That's fare!
Low expectations? Low self-esteem? WTH? I hope you are not on the NC.
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Old 06-26-2015, 06:03 PM
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Low expectations? Low self-esteem? WTH? I hope you are not on the NC.
Yeah seriously............
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Old 06-26-2015, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by So Wonwee View Post
Low expectations? Low self-esteem? WTH? I hope you are not on the NC.
We are doomed.
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Old 06-26-2015, 06:15 PM
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Umm- reality check??

I'm not on any side but the side of the ENTIRE PILOT GROUP.... But- some of you want to can the current negotiators?? Why?

Because they were unable to force the company to give what we wanted before the amendable date? Since the impossible didn't happen, you blame the NC? really.... They don't have the "Jedi mind trick" on their side- there is a reason it's called "negotiations..." rather than Christmas....

Stay the course, remain cautiously optimistic, and apply a little reality to the process....
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