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06-23-2015, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemonade
Now im ready for a Matias/Slotten fast track/ focused negotiations TA by the end of the week. No doubt I will put it right in the trash
06-25-2015, 10:28 AM
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HEY Bendo since we all know you read this form at night while eating your cold pizza, please feel free to look at this link. You want to be the the ULCC start playing like it.
Boeing Will Pay High Price For McNerney's Mistake Of Treating Aviation Like It Was Any Other Industry - Forbes
Boeing Will Pay High Price For McNerney's Mistake Of Treating Aviation Like It Was Any Other Industry - Forbes
06-25-2015, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Metal Slug
Wouldn't it benefit us to put the greater share of the money towards the top of the longevity scale where you will spend most of your career maxed-out, than to spend it on a transitional step you'll only be at for 12 months?
Let the people who want to be here for a career reap the benefits, not the job hoppers looking to get a type and bail for Fedelted.
I'm not negating the fact that we are underpaid at ALL years in both seats, though.
Let the people who want to be here for a career reap the benefits, not the job hoppers looking to get a type and bail for Fedelted.
I'm not negating the fact that we are underpaid at ALL years in both seats, though.
lenty of dues in this industry and we need a much shallower pay scale. Year 1 airbus captain at AA is $208, year 12 is 228. FO is $75 year 1, $132 year 3, and $156 year 12.
06-25-2015, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I agree with you except I think just about everyone here except maybe the riddle kids have paid p
lenty of dues in this industry and we need a much shallower pay scale. Year 1 airbus captain at AA is $208, year 12 is 228. FO is $75 year 1, $132 year 3, and $156 year 12.
lenty of dues in this industry and we need a much shallower pay scale. Year 1 airbus captain at AA is $208, year 12 is 228. FO is $75 year 1, $132 year 3, and $156 year 12.
06-25-2015, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by willflyforcash
Agreed. I'm all for narrowing the pay spectrum. Let's put the pitting and selling out of different hiring groups behind us.
06-25-2015, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by willflyforcash
Agreed. I'm all for narrowing the pay spectrum. Let's put the pitting and selling out of different hiring groups behind us.
The legacy carriers got it right with the way they set up their pay scales. We should do the same.
06-25-2015, 03:03 PM
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The whole 15 vs 12 year pay scale seems to me a conundrum;
You top out sooner on a 12 year pay scale but is that because higher pay steps are eliminated?
You top out sooner on a 12 year pay scale but is that because higher pay steps are eliminated?
06-25-2015, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by otter1
I agree. I don't know of another pay scale as steep as ours. Especially considering it's a 15 year pay scale which makes it even worse. There are many of us here who don't have that many years left before retirement.
The legacy carriers got it right with the way they set up their pay scales. We should do the same.
The legacy carriers got it right with the way they set up their pay scales. We should do the same.
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06-25-2015, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Metal Slug
Wouldn't it benefit us to put the greater share of the money towards the top of the longevity scale where you will spend most of your career maxed-out, than to spend it on a transitional step you'll only be at for 12 months?
Let the people who want to be here for a career reap the benefits, not the job hoppers looking to get a type and bail for Fedelted.
I'm not negating the fact that we are underpaid at ALL years in both seats, though.
Let the people who want to be here for a career reap the benefits, not the job hoppers looking to get a type and bail for Fedelted.
I'm not negating the fact that we are underpaid at ALL years in both seats, though.
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06-25-2015, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Metal Slug
If you have any ideas on how to get that pay scale without giving up 4 days off, I want you on the Negotiating Committee.
There's no way I am voting yes for Bendo's idea of TA that wouldn't amount to a tank of gas in my truck.
I don't want our union to "cooperate" with management. I want our union to repeatedly kick management in the nuts, until we share in the success by the award of an industry standard TA.
There's no way I am voting yes for Bendo's idea of TA that wouldn't amount to a tank of gas in my truck.
I don't want our union to "cooperate" with management. I want our union to repeatedly kick management in the nuts, until we share in the success by the award of an industry standard TA.
The reason I ask is because if you wish to have standard then you are at the wrong airline. Furthermore, if you want standard you will be at an airline that will eventually be reorganization at least twice in the next 30 years, just like the rest of the "standard" paying airlines. Its not hard math.
If you want "Average" with most of our work rules and head room to absorb the down times then you might be in the right place.
Additionally, if you want a union to kick Bendo in the nuts until they fall off you should have been working for an auto maker in DTW, I guess that worked out for them.
In the new environment of corporate america we need at a minimum a "positive working relationship" something that was amiss with our former "leaders"
cheers man
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