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03-30-2011, 02:45 PM
#2411
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I think it's really about the quality of your recommendation if you meet the mins.
03-31-2011, 04:57 AM
#2412
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Originally Posted by ERJ135
Anybody know if anyone with about 4500tt 3000jet, ATP, No TPIC are getting interviews. Eagle guys??
03-31-2011, 10:27 AM
#2413
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It is a question of experience
Honest question for current Spirit pilots. Should Spirit be hiring pilots who've never commanded a crew or flight of aircraft when there are plenty of applicants that meet this very basic qualification?
If you don't have turbine PIC, then you never flew in the military (military AC time assures you exercised leadership and command of either an aircraft crew, or as a flight lead) or, as a civilian, you likely last exercised PIC leadership of a team as a CFI in a piston with a student, hardly the same. This civilian will be almost a decade removed from that experience, minimum, when they first have an opportunity to command a mainline jet with passengers.
Do current Spirit pilots really think that it is in the best interests of the company and the passengers for a pilot to sit left seat in an Airbus (minimum 150 souls on board) as their first attempt as an aircraft commander of a crew?
If you don't have turbine PIC, then you never flew in the military (military AC time assures you exercised leadership and command of either an aircraft crew, or as a flight lead) or, as a civilian, you likely last exercised PIC leadership of a team as a CFI in a piston with a student, hardly the same. This civilian will be almost a decade removed from that experience, minimum, when they first have an opportunity to command a mainline jet with passengers.
Do current Spirit pilots really think that it is in the best interests of the company and the passengers for a pilot to sit left seat in an Airbus (minimum 150 souls on board) as their first attempt as an aircraft commander of a crew?
03-31-2011, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Honest question for current Spirit pilots. Should Spirit be hiring pilots who've never commanded a crew or flight of aircraft when there are plenty of applicants that meet this very basic qualification?
If you don't have turbine PIC, then you never flew in the military (military AC time assures you exercised leadership and command of either an aircraft crew, or as a flight lead) or, as a civilian, you likely last exercised PIC leadership of a team as a CFI in a piston with a student, hardly the same. This civilian will be almost a decade removed from that experience, minimum, when they first have an opportunity to command a mainline jet with passengers.
Do current Spirit pilots really think that it is in the best interests of the company and the passengers for a pilot to sit left seat in an Airbus (minimum 150 souls on board) as their first attempt as an aircraft commander of a crew?
If you don't have turbine PIC, then you never flew in the military (military AC time assures you exercised leadership and command of either an aircraft crew, or as a flight lead) or, as a civilian, you likely last exercised PIC leadership of a team as a CFI in a piston with a student, hardly the same. This civilian will be almost a decade removed from that experience, minimum, when they first have an opportunity to command a mainline jet with passengers.
Do current Spirit pilots really think that it is in the best interests of the company and the passengers for a pilot to sit left seat in an Airbus (minimum 150 souls on board) as their first attempt as an aircraft commander of a crew?
1. In your opinion who determines Spirit Airlines' min qualifications? The pilots?
2. At what point should we let anyone fly a jet airliner as a PIC? This is a very valid question since most people exit the womb without jet PIC. At the regionals you will do the exact same thing but with only 50 passengers. Is that OK? So where is the line? 70 pax? 120? You tell me.
Bonus Q:
How does flying an F16 for 2000h prepares you better for part 121 multi crew into ORD on your initial OE vs a CRJ guy who has done 3000h of that in the last 4 years, sometimes 7x a day.
03-31-2011, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Honest question for current Spirit pilots. Should Spirit be hiring pilots who've never commanded a crew or flight of aircraft when there are plenty of applicants that meet this very basic qualification?
If you don't have turbine PIC, then you never flew in the military (military AC time assures you exercised leadership and command of either an aircraft crew, or as a flight lead) or, as a civilian, you likely last exercised PIC leadership of a team as a CFI in a piston with a student, hardly the same. This civilian will be almost a decade removed from that experience, minimum, when they first have an opportunity to command a mainline jet with passengers.
Do current Spirit pilots really think that it is in the best interests of the company and the passengers for a pilot to sit left seat in an Airbus (minimum 150 souls on board) as their first attempt as an aircraft commander of a crew?
If you don't have turbine PIC, then you never flew in the military (military AC time assures you exercised leadership and command of either an aircraft crew, or as a flight lead) or, as a civilian, you likely last exercised PIC leadership of a team as a CFI in a piston with a student, hardly the same. This civilian will be almost a decade removed from that experience, minimum, when they first have an opportunity to command a mainline jet with passengers.
Do current Spirit pilots really think that it is in the best interests of the company and the passengers for a pilot to sit left seat in an Airbus (minimum 150 souls on board) as their first attempt as an aircraft commander of a crew?
03-31-2011, 12:43 PM
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Sniper,
In reference to your second paragraph, Its not fair to generalize like this. You don't know somebodys true background and experience until you ask.
DC-3 experience, would that count?
In reference to your second paragraph, Its not fair to generalize like this. You don't know somebodys true background and experience until you ask.
DC-3 experience, would that count?
03-31-2011, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Normann
Bonus Q:
How does flying an F16 for 2000h prepares you better for part 121 multi crew into ORD on your initial OE vs a CRJ guy who has done 3000h of that in the last 4 years, sometimes 7x a day.
How does flying an F16 for 2000h prepares you better for part 121 multi crew into ORD on your initial OE vs a CRJ guy who has done 3000h of that in the last 4 years, sometimes 7x a day.
(ok, probably a bad joke, but the ramp there is crazy busy)
Originally Posted by JUG47
Sniper,
In reference to your second paragraph, Its not fair to generalize like this. You don't know somebodys true background and experience until you ask.
DC-3 experience, would that count?
In reference to your second paragraph, Its not fair to generalize like this. You don't know somebodys true background and experience until you ask.
DC-3 experience, would that count?
03-31-2011, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Honest question for current Spirit pilots....
...Do current Spirit pilots really think that ...
...Do current Spirit pilots really think that ...
At least you can blame the parents for the sense of entitlement the kiddies have... watching the prior service guys wake up to the LCC world is like watching some innocent girl from Nebraska realize she just turned her first trick.
03-31-2011, 09:55 PM
#2419
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Honest question for current Spirit pilots. Should Spirit be hiring pilots who've never commanded a crew or flight of aircraft when there are plenty of applicants that meet this very basic qualification?
If you don't have turbine PIC, then you never flew in the military (military AC time assures you exercised leadership and command of either an aircraft crew, or as a flight lead) or, as a civilian, you likely last exercised PIC leadership of a team as a CFI in a piston with a student, hardly the same. This civilian will be almost a decade removed from that experience, minimum, when they first have an opportunity to command a mainline jet with passengers.
Do current Spirit pilots really think that it is in the best interests of the company and the passengers for a pilot to sit left seat in an Airbus (minimum 150 souls on board) as their first attempt as an aircraft commander of a crew?
If you don't have turbine PIC, then you never flew in the military (military AC time assures you exercised leadership and command of either an aircraft crew, or as a flight lead) or, as a civilian, you likely last exercised PIC leadership of a team as a CFI in a piston with a student, hardly the same. This civilian will be almost a decade removed from that experience, minimum, when they first have an opportunity to command a mainline jet with passengers.
Do current Spirit pilots really think that it is in the best interests of the company and the passengers for a pilot to sit left seat in an Airbus (minimum 150 souls on board) as their first attempt as an aircraft commander of a crew?
Honest question for Sniper. Do you think Spirit line pilots have the slightest input into managements hiring criteria or standards?
03-31-2011, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ERJ135
............... JMO, of course.. i'm almost there for upgrade and have 3k in type, I feel very comfortable. Airplane fits me like a glove. Captains have told me if you don't feel comfortable upgrading at 3-4k in type, you should find a new line of work.
Time in type has absolutely nothing to do with commanding an airline flight. There's a bit more to being Captain than flying the jet. In my experience, most Zero PIC/high time FO's could easily command a 121 flight as well or better than I, but until they've actually done it all bets are off. IOW, your first few months of actually signing the release will likely test every skill you have, except flying.
If the tng dept does it's job, a new Captains first few months will be safe regardless of previous experience. Proficiency and comfort will take a while longer.
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