Dilbert

Spin spin spin

TTOCSMCC

I think the guy was just celebrating getting a little time off

satpak77

did we ever find out if/when DFW-TLC was gonna happen

319wisperer

I sure as heck hope so; The nonstop DFW-TLC is bookable for the daily flights that start on June 21. I imagine if everything wasnt in order Govt and otherwise, it would not be bookable.

Normann

I got paid 1380h credit in 2011 for flying 960h block. (And that was no record. Some "special deal" dudes made way more on average.) That is a 40% soft time factor. It made my super low $77/h an equivalent of $108 at 4th year. Compare that at $104 at DL and tell me how much soft time does a 737 or 320 guy get?

And I was not even getting my conflicts last year too often! How come you guys have preferential bidding? Do you not like soft time? Do you like when the computer puts a turn before and right after you vacation block. Is preff bid going away in the new TA?

My other favorite topic is upgrade. It is coming down to 3.5y by 2014. I will not be that lucky. I will have to wait alllllllthewaaaaaaaaaaay to y 5 and change. ridiculous.

Bring that conversation up with the next MD80 FO you see in ATL. Then follow up with the 2-3% capacity cuts DL is planning for 2013. After that you can show him how to properly shiny up that double breasted blazer and march up and down in T5 so we all get to see how real airline pilots look like.

Sailor

mmmk...lol

Jay5150

Easy bud. This "credit" topic always comes up in these discussions.

I couple of months ago I got 21 hrs. credit for flying a 2-leg day trip, about 3.0 hours block. That's not the norm, but the point is, we're very familiar with soft time. Almost everybody has it in some form. I live in base so I can take advantage of many of these deals. I W-2'd more than the last captain I flew with last year solely because of picking up trips at double time.

We're familiar with soft-time.

Oh, I for one like pref bidding. It's like anything else, senior is better, but I can custom-build an entire month. It's got it's negatives, but the positives are there too. Having done both, I like this better.

Quint

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Cruise

I do not get the impression Lemonade was/is being a troll.....merely trying to learn the nuances of the CBA in an effort to duplicate your awesome 25 days off. Hell, I'd like to get 25 concurrent days off too......

Perhaps you shouldn't be so sensitive?

Normann

Jey here is why some of us get upset when guys from Delta (and it always seems to be one from Delta) talk down on us.

You need to stop comparing Delta with Spirit. You are a 10000+ pilot group with several hundreds of airplanes. You have a contract that was negotiated over and over many more times than ours was. Some negotiated during good times, some in bankruptcy.

Our last two was negotiated in bad times against a privately held company. There was a lot of guessing on ALPA's side. Not to mention our airline almost went out of business in 2008. When we voted on the TA in 2010, the economy was (and still is today) in the toilet. We now have 40 airplanes and 630 pilots. I think that is a new record here. We are tiny. Did Delta have an industry leading contract when you had 40 airplanes? I have no clue. You tell me.

It is very easy to say that your pay is higher if that is all you are looking at. You know nothing about our contract, and why would you. We have a lot of things that you don't. Your contract is most likely better all thing considered, but we are not as far behind as you may think and many of us would not trade with you. Matching numbers on APC is the worst light you can show us in.

But it looks like with your new TA you guys will not raise the bar either. May be among the legacy carrier you will look good but you will not beat SW in their category. That much is for sure. But why would I compare SW to DL? I am glad you guys will get a raise! It will help us next time around. This last time we have manged to break away from the bottom and got closer to the average. Next time we may have a 100 airplanes or more. May be the economy will be a bit better too. We are also public now. I think we will have a good chance to catch up and pass some airlines and be above average. I doubt we will raise the bar, but we will raise the average. And that is good news to all of us.

And as far as comparing soft time. Sure. But lets not compare 767 international layovers with 320 domestic layovers.