Originally Posted by The Juice

This may be the case for senior CAs at Spirit who are closer in line of parity to Legacy CAs.

However, no way around it, FOs here are paid way less than Legacy counter parts, no matter of work rules or line bidding practices. Guys hitting 3rd year FO pay are now $40 less an hour than Legacy counterparts. Simple math would suggest that a 3rd year FO would have to credit 120 hours to match what a guarantee line would pay at a Legacy. And there is no way I would believe or accept that work rules at Spirit make it as easy to credit 120 as a Legacy carrier would be to credit guarantee.

This is the case for the entire FO pay scale and many of our Captains.

Some of our senior pilots dont agree with this math because it doesnt affect them, just guys junior to them and for some, those that need to still "pay their dues." Fact of the matter is that this airline is getting junior by the day and as a group, we need to focus on what is best for the majority of our pilots, not the 5%.

I agree the PBS is a huge concession, not something that I would vote for, and not something I think the company is going to want, but lets not act like Spirit is the only airline with work rules and it is somehow ok to have 3rd year Airbus FOs at $40 less than their counterparts and junior CAs flying 218 seat airplanes around at $130/hr

Originally Posted by The Juice

I would say that big item issues, such as 30/7 relief, which the company wants, is something worth holding onto for negotiations.

As far as this TA, lets look at it then decide if this is worth voting in or out.

I for one, will assume its a "no" vote because I cant imagine a TA that would provide me the same pay that I currently get with contract language. So if crap is presented in this TA, it should be voted down and we can continue bidding for training for however many years to come, until a new contract is achieved.

I've done electronic recurrent ground, at my last airline, completely outside of a classroom and it is horrible! You will be craving Bruce's classroom and jokes when you are having to actually do the lessons and not "graded to 100"

Originally Posted by gonyon

Am I the only one that absolutely detests going to fll whether on a line flight or especially for any sort of training? I refuse to lose any money but not leaving my home has real value to me

Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs

I actually like going down there. Only bad thing is I tend to "entertain" myself because I'm bored out of my mind then I get home and wife grabs the iPad, starts typing www. And is disgusted with my history , other than that, love Lauderdale

Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs

I actually like going down there. Only bad thing is I tend to "entertain" myself because I'm bored out of my mind then I get home and wife grabs the iPad, starts typing www. And is disgusted with my history , other than that, love Lauderdale

Originally Posted by gonyon

Am I the only one that absolutely detests going to fll whether on a line flight or especially for any sort of training? I refuse to lose any money but not leaving my home has real value to me

Originally Posted by The Juice

I loved training in FLL last time. I would much rather be getting paid 50 hours to drift off in ground school for 3 days, rather than do 2 Spirit unproductive 4 days.



We all know this LOA isnt going to provide the language to get paid 50+ hours for "at home ground school." I like being home but you are still going to have to travel to FLL for a day of drills anyways, and travel back and forth each way. Since I have to go anyways, Ill stay for the entire 5 days, and you will have to pay me, versus 3 days to FLL with travel, for a lot less pay.



And remember 3 days of training will NOT touch 2 4-day trips for paid drops, 4 or 5 days to FLL WILL either touch 2 4-day trips or provide for 7 days consecutive and require a drop.

Originally Posted by The Juice

"Past performance is not a predictor of future results..."

I never planned on the 2.5 year upgrade, more like 3 or a little longer.

Joke is on those getting hired today and who think it will be 2.5 for them