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Old 11-17-2016, 11:04 AM
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The sucking sound at the regional level is why they have to offer these signing and retention bonuses.

I hope we don't see this at Spirit. A small stopgap to attract and retain pilots would hurt the entire group by pushing a contract further off. I hope the MEC fights any notion of a signing bonus for newhires.
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Old 11-17-2016, 11:27 AM
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The sucking sound at the regional level is why they have to offer these signing and retention bonuses.



I hope we don't see this at Spirit. A small stopgap to attract and retain pilots would hurt the entire group by pushing a contract further off. I hope the MEC fights any notion of a signing bonus for newhires.


Can they give these bonuses without union sign off?


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Old 11-17-2016, 12:26 PM
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At Republic they tried to fight it after they had already paid new hire bonuses once. Because they had done it once without union intervention it was considered past precedence. So if the union blocks it at intial offering, then it should be something the union could fight.
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Old 11-17-2016, 01:58 PM
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It would be an interesting fight. I see it could be argued that any compensation for a collectively bargained group needs to be done within the confines of Section 6 negotiations or in the form of an LOA.

Granted im assuming, but I would expect a fight from the MEC if the company wanted to hand out bonuses.
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Old 11-17-2016, 03:38 PM
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It would be a violation of the status quo. We could go on strike for that alone.

Btw Allegiant is not paying bonuses for Airbus types anymore. My understanding is that it's against their CBA. It's not against ours but since we are in negotiations and they haven't ever paid bonuses under this contract it would be a status quo violation.
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Old 11-17-2016, 07:13 PM
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It would be an interesting fight. I see it could be argued that any compensation for a collectively bargained group needs to be done within the confines of Section 6 negotiations or in the form of an LOA.

Granted im assuming, but I would expect a fight from the MEC if the company wanted to hand out bonuses.
The way the regionals do it is they pay the bonus money by check in the mail or before the official "class" begins. Alpa tried to fight it at most carriers, had no leg to stand on because the individuals receiving the money did so before coming on property.
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Old 11-18-2016, 04:29 AM
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I heard last night it was another wasted session at the table. amazing - now we will have to wait until 2017 to make any progress thanks to Bendo and his crew being "too busy" in December to try and close BS sections.

Why oh why would anyone try to get a job here right now?
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I heard last night it was another wasted session at the table. amazing - now we will have to wait until 2017 to make any progress thanks to Bendo and his crew being "too busy" in December to try and close BS sections.

Why oh why would anyone try to get a job here right now?
The NMB has to be tired of it too. The company doesn't have a leg to stand on with JB getting a pay raise via a LOA, SWA new contract, ALG and soon to be Delta. Anyone have any insight into what our guys are seeing from the NMB?
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Old 11-18-2016, 06:23 AM
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The NMB has to be tired of it too. The company doesn't have a leg to stand on with JB getting a pay raise via a LOA, SWA new contract, ALG and soon to be Delta. Anyone have any insight into what our guys are seeing from the NMB?
The next action we need to take is vote for a strike. Enough is enough!
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