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Old 09-30-2016 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
Honestly dude, I don't believe that for a second. Ultimately what will end up happening is by the time we we get a contract it will be a wash and equate to what our management (both NKS & F9) offered initially. TIME, VALUE, , MONEY. This is especially true when we talk about our retirement. Delaying as long as they plan will of course work out in managements favor, it always does.

They will delay as long as they have until one of three things happen.

1. Economic collapse
2. Merger
3. Until their hand is forced by the RLA and who are we kidding, if it ever gets to that point they could pay us FedEx rates and they would still have saved money by delaying it as long as they did.

It's really frustrating and I try not to stress over it but I can't help but shake my F----- head with each new podcast and company video of them telling us "how much they appreciAte their employees"

Actions speak louder than words
Totally agree! I'm not sure what it will take to completely **** this pilot group off. Guys are still tripping over themselves for MUP to bail out a management team that laughs all the way to the bank with their bonuses and profits while we make united FO wages as captains.
Old 09-30-2016 | 05:14 PM
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Delta pilots reach AIP. Anyone have the deets? Besides "30% raise"?
Old 09-30-2016 | 06:18 PM
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Delta pilots reach AIP. Anyone have the deets? Besides "30% raise"?
Keep profit sharing and scope remains the same. Not sure about the rest
Old 09-30-2016 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
Honestly dude, I don't believe that for a second. Ultimately what will end up happening is by the time we we get a contract it will be a wash and equate to what our management (both NKS & F9) offered initially. TIME, VALUE, , MONEY. This is especially true when we talk about our retirement. Delaying as long as they plan will of course work out in managements favor, it always does.

They will delay as long as they have until one of three things happen.

1. Economic collapse
2. Merger
3. Until their hand is forced by the RLA and who are we kidding, if it ever gets to that point they could pay us FedEx rates and they would still have saved money by delaying it as long as they did.

It's really frustrating and I try not to stress over it but I can't help but shake my F----- head with each new podcast and company video of them telling us "how much they appreciAte their employees"

Actions speak louder than words
Well if they insist on number 3, you can bet I'm coming for my FedEx money and not settle just to settle like the FAs did after 9 years

See you in dfw ok the 11th?

And can someone tell me who the genius architect was in '10 that decided training on days off was a good idea? Pure insanity! If your training falls in a holiday month where you would typically bid to have very specific days off or a vacation touch, along comes crew train with fukcing sim days!!!!!!
Old 09-30-2016 | 07:12 PM
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Old 09-30-2016 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RJRJ
Been here 9 months. Reserve. This trip, Day 1 was just dh from DTW to the overnight. I don't live in DTW. Called for an alternate deadhead to start the trip. Granted. Called back to ask about the ground transportation provider to get me to the hotel when I get there.
The scheduler told me that by doing an alternate dh, that cancels my hotel room and ground transportation.

1. Is this true?
2. Is this really true?
True or not, not having a hotel room sounds like a pretty convincing reason for being fatigued.

Not asking you to use Fatigue as a weapon, but merely saying that everyone needs sleep.

1. That is true
2 That is really true.
Old 10-01-2016 | 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RJRJ
Delta pilots reach AIP. Anyone have the deets? Besides "30% raise"?
18% increase fully retro to Jan 2016
3% increase 2017,2018
4% increase 2019
No change in PS
Vacation to 3:30/ day 2017
16% retirement contribution 2017
No change in RJ scope
Old 10-01-2016 | 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Well if they insist on number 3, you can bet I'm coming for my FedEx money and not settle just to settle like the FAs did after 9 years

See you in dfw ok the 11th?

And can someone tell me who the genius architect was in '10 that decided training on days off was a good idea? Pure insanity! If your training falls in a holiday month where you would typically bid to have very specific days off or a vacation touch, along comes crew train with fukcing sim days!!!!!!
The simple fact that training can "award" training days, instead of us bidding for them is also pure insanity!

There is ZERO good reason why we shouldn't be bidding for all of our training as well. Bid for training prior to line bidding. Then once training is awarded, you line bid and trips drop out (credit is greater of training footprint or schedule) if they touch the training footprint, just like vacation!!!
Old 10-01-2016 | 04:29 AM
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Then once training is awarded, you line bid and trips drop out (credit is greater of training footprint or schedule) if they touch the training footprint, just like vacation!!!
Of course, pilots who have vacation touch multiple trips are financially no better off because more hours just get deducted from vacation bank. I usually try to avoid my vacation weeks touching two trips because I like using float vacation more than a fixed week of vacation.
Old 10-01-2016 | 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Sparty
18% increase fully retro to Jan 2016

3% increase 2017,2018

4% increase 2019

No change in PS

Vacation to 3:30/ day 2017

16% retirement contribution 2017

No change in RJ scope


Any word on high fives?


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