Spirit of NKS, Part II
09-08-2016, 04:55 AM
#8701
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 195
Originally Posted by Justmeagain
First post. I normally just watch from the sidelines. I'm not a committee member or in any other position in ALPA.
A few things:
Not everyone that signed that petition realized what they were signing, or the ripples that it would cause. They didn't realize that there was an ulterior motive behind the petition - I'm sure we'll get to that in due course.
MH turned up at the FLL meeting last night and was rude/disruptive. Wouldn't quiet down, to let others speak. Forced his agenda (shared by the DFW 4, I'm sure). Was eventually escorted out. SM and PS didn't threaten him, as he told everyone on the whatsapp group. The only people that back up his version of events are the Kiwi and a few other vocal voices. I never saw Bendo there, but if he was, it's funny that MH showed up to cause problems at the same time....
The ORD, DFW and FLL whatsapp groups are moderated by friends of MH or CB (Audi). Why would a DFW FO moderate the ORD group? Is someone controlling the narrative?
MH left Chautauqua under a cloud. I was there. He's remembered fondly as a pathological liar/borderline sociopath. More to come on that.
CB has a colorful history also. More later.
Why would this stuff matter? Quite simply, character matters.
Do you want to push back negotiations another year? Southwest negotiated for 3 years before this latest TA. We need to settle down and plan for at least another year of this. If you have concerns, call a rep. Vote. MH is an agent provocateur. Everything he does/has a hand in, should be viewed objectively. The FLL drama was carefully staged. MH is no victim and he certainly isn't a leader.
I look forward to your comments and attacks.
A few things:
Not everyone that signed that petition realized what they were signing, or the ripples that it would cause. They didn't realize that there was an ulterior motive behind the petition - I'm sure we'll get to that in due course.
MH turned up at the FLL meeting last night and was rude/disruptive. Wouldn't quiet down, to let others speak. Forced his agenda (shared by the DFW 4, I'm sure). Was eventually escorted out. SM and PS didn't threaten him, as he told everyone on the whatsapp group. The only people that back up his version of events are the Kiwi and a few other vocal voices. I never saw Bendo there, but if he was, it's funny that MH showed up to cause problems at the same time....
The ORD, DFW and FLL whatsapp groups are moderated by friends of MH or CB (Audi). Why would a DFW FO moderate the ORD group? Is someone controlling the narrative?
MH left Chautauqua under a cloud. I was there. He's remembered fondly as a pathological liar/borderline sociopath. More to come on that.
CB has a colorful history also. More later.
Why would this stuff matter? Quite simply, character matters.
Do you want to push back negotiations another year? Southwest negotiated for 3 years before this latest TA. We need to settle down and plan for at least another year of this. If you have concerns, call a rep. Vote. MH is an agent provocateur. Everything he does/has a hand in, should be viewed objectively. The FLL drama was carefully staged. MH is no victim and he certainly isn't a leader.
I look forward to your comments and attacks.
I agree with most of this but SWA did fire their NC when they would not be transparent about their "ask" and yes it did set them back a year. Now they got a great deal and everyone knew exactly what what was going on.
i feel if I am paying dues so my NC can work for me, then I should know exactly what they are asking for. I don't feel doing all this in secret is good for the pilot group.
09-08-2016, 05:03 AM
#8702
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 41
Originally Posted by Audi2000
ugh, another new login from the same group of 4 of you? Let me save you the trouble, I am CB, I got a DUI in 1999, do a little search on here, this has been so overplayed, I got no secrets. Justmeagain, you know who I am, PM me with your name and tell me your "colorful" facts about me. You guys just don't quit, try utilizing facts instead of slinging mud. I was not at the meeting, but there were quite a few witnesses that claim quite the opposite of what you are claiming, as a matter of fact almost 20 signatures from attendees at the event, solidified by the behavior encountered by union reps.
Once again, there is no ulterior motive, just many of us fed up at the feet dragging by the company and this petition supports the NC and forces the company to move faster. 329 supporters, almost 25% of Spirit pilots support this, keep it going! Can you all put down the keyboard tough guy act for a bit and see that the NC is getting support from many who never did before? This petition is bringing support from all sides.
https://www.change.org/p/spa-mec-dem...irit-airlines?
Whatever it takes!!
Once again, there is no ulterior motive, just many of us fed up at the feet dragging by the company and this petition supports the NC and forces the company to move faster. 329 supporters, almost 25% of Spirit pilots support this, keep it going! Can you all put down the keyboard tough guy act for a bit and see that the NC is getting support from many who never did before? This petition is bringing support from all sides.
https://www.change.org/p/spa-mec-dem...irit-airlines?
Whatever it takes!!
Like I said, I usually stand on the sidelines. Not anymore. I'll be an active participant from now on.
I can see what happens in your cockpit - you use your left seat to your advantage and work the new guys. Most probably feign interest, but once in a while someone's eyes will light up at your message. You know that you have one on the hook. You'll work him/her. Invite them to your get together. Invite them into your chat group and continue the process of full conversion. It's not rocket science.
You and MH were problem children at RAH. Now you're in the left seat of a mainline aircraft, you are leveraging that semblance of credibility to your advantage.
You're not fooling anyone. MH is for now, but there are people out there like me, who are waking up to the ruse.
Bottom line: you and MH are working this group. You're trying to fracture it even more than it is. Anyone following you should ask themselves why they would follow a bull****** artist, who also happens to be a self admitted substance abuser? Members in good standing should ask themselves "would I let this guy into my house?" "Would I let him date my daughter/sister and not object?"
I'm not going to let you and your band of blunderers into my house through my future paycheck and work rules.
Dream on!
09-08-2016, 05:06 AM
#8703
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 41
Originally Posted by Timeismoney
I agree with most of this but SWA did fire their NC when they would not be transparent about their "ask" and yes it did set them back a year. Now they got a great deal and everyone knew exactly what what was going on.
i feel if I am paying dues so my NC can work for me, then I should know exactly what they are asking for. I don't feel doing all this in secret is good for the pilot group.
i feel if I am paying dues so my NC can work for me, then I should know exactly what they are asking for. I don't feel doing all this in secret is good for the pilot group.
But when it comes to the DFW LEC crowd and MH, buyer beware!
09-08-2016, 05:12 AM
#8704
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 195
Originally Posted by Justmeagain
I agree with more transparency. Reach out to your friends at SWA. Find out how that worked over there. Contact your reps, as I have and go on the record of asking for more transparency. There is nothing wrong with this - I agree.
But when it comes to the DFW LEC crowd and MH, buyer beware!
But when it comes to the DFW LEC crowd and MH, buyer beware!
09-08-2016, 05:14 AM
#8705
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: FLL
Posts: 48
Originally Posted by Justmeagain
I don't have to pm you with anything. Because you were dumb enough to divulge your name on an anonymous forum doesn't equal credibility. You screwed up and have tried to swing that to your advantage - doubling down on the message of "here I am, I'm brave enough to identify myself! Anyone not brave enough doesn't deserve any credit". I never knew you at RAH, but knew your name. Why? You were always ranting on the message boards. Always beating the exact same drum that you are here. It sounds like this: "the union leadership are screwing us" "there's a conspiracy" "so and so is in bed with management". You have no leadership qualities that are of use to this group. Neither does MH.
Like I said, I usually stand on the sidelines. Not anymore. I'll be an active participant from now on.
I can see what happens in your cockpit - you use your left seat to your advantage and work the new guys. Most probably feign interest, but once in a while someone's eyes will light up at your message. You know that you have one on the hook. You'll work him/her. Invite them to your get together. Invite them into your chat group and continue the process of full conversion. It's not rocket science.
You and MH were problem children at RAH. Now you're in the left seat of a mainline aircraft, you are leveraging that semblance of credibility to your advantage.
You're not fooling anyone. MH is for now, but there are people out there like me, who are waking up to the ruse.
Bottom line: you and MH are working this group. You're trying to fracture it even more than it is. Anyone following you should ask themselves why they would follow a bull****** artist, who also happens to be a self admitted substance abuser? Members in good standing should ask themselves "would I let this guy into my house?" "Would I let him date my daughter/sister and not object?"
I'm not going to let you and your band of blunderers into my house through my future paycheck and work rules.
Dream on!
Like I said, I usually stand on the sidelines. Not anymore. I'll be an active participant from now on.
I can see what happens in your cockpit - you use your left seat to your advantage and work the new guys. Most probably feign interest, but once in a while someone's eyes will light up at your message. You know that you have one on the hook. You'll work him/her. Invite them to your get together. Invite them into your chat group and continue the process of full conversion. It's not rocket science.
You and MH were problem children at RAH. Now you're in the left seat of a mainline aircraft, you are leveraging that semblance of credibility to your advantage.
You're not fooling anyone. MH is for now, but there are people out there like me, who are waking up to the ruse.
Bottom line: you and MH are working this group. You're trying to fracture it even more than it is. Anyone following you should ask themselves why they would follow a bull****** artist, who also happens to be a self admitted substance abuser? Members in good standing should ask themselves "would I let this guy into my house?" "Would I let him date my daughter/sister and not object?"
I'm not going to let you and your band of blunderers into my house through my future paycheck and work rules.
Dream on!
Wake up people, he did the same thing for years at RAH. Couldn't say enough bad things about our union, organized a vocal minority into appearing like a majority and anyone who disagreed on the forums he claimed they were all the same people. You sir are a disgrace to a unified pilot group. Go ahead and discredit anyone on here you want but I can't listen to the better part of a decade of your ******* anymore.
As far as MH goes, people should know who they are getting behind. He is the Hillary Clinton of Spirit. Cant stop himself from lying even when the truth suits him better. He is compulsive. I can't imagine anyone enjoying sharing a cockpit with him. You want to follow him, be my guest but know who you are following. He's someone that left RAH under questionable circumstances after lying to everyone he was a captain there (which he wasn't). He was the same vocal, opinionated DB there he is becoming here. Always knew better, always the victim. Look at who he is getting to back his story up. None other than Kiwigirl herself. I saw it for my own 2 eyes as I am a lurker on the FLL whatsapp.
Im not the biggest fan of our negotiators but I support them until they give me a reason not to. You 3 on the other hand are some of the most vile and fracturing people this airline has on the seniority list. But go ahead and convince anyone who knows you and has seen this play out at RAH otherwise.
09-08-2016, 05:19 AM
#8706
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: A320
Posts: 568
Originally Posted by Audi2000
ugh, another new login from the same group of 4 of you? Let me save you the trouble, I am CB, I got a DUI in 1999, do a little search on here, this has been so overplayed, I got no secrets. Justmeagain, you know who I am, PM me with your name and tell me your "colorful" facts about me. You guys just don't quit, try utilizing facts instead of slinging mud. I was not at the meeting, but there were quite a few witnesses that claim quite the opposite of what you are claiming, as a matter of fact almost 20 signatures from attendees at the event, solidified by the behavior encountered by union reps.
Once again, there is no ulterior motive, just many of us fed up at the feet dragging by the company and this petition supports the NC and forces the company to move faster. 329 supporters, almost 25% of Spirit pilots support this, keep it going! Can you all put down the keyboard tough guy act for a bit and see that the NC is getting support from many who never did before? This petition is bringing support from all sides.
https://www.change.org/p/spa-mec-dem...irit-airlines?
Whatever it takes!!
Once again, there is no ulterior motive, just many of us fed up at the feet dragging by the company and this petition supports the NC and forces the company to move faster. 329 supporters, almost 25% of Spirit pilots support this, keep it going! Can you all put down the keyboard tough guy act for a bit and see that the NC is getting support from many who never did before? This petition is bringing support from all sides.
https://www.change.org/p/spa-mec-dem...irit-airlines?
Whatever it takes!!
Why was all the ask put on the MEC?
09-08-2016, 05:49 AM
#8707
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 177
Another new login? Same IP, same message, funny how desperate a few of you are to denigrate those standing up for you, substance abuser now? BTW, I have no idea what you are talking about, I was barely at RAH for 12 months, I never gave a **** about that place, nor did I have time for message boards, if I stated anything it was about the corruption and lack of transparency of the TEAMSTERS. I was right and Sowell went to jail for it, so how am I wrong for outing criminals in the union? (I was deposed for grievance) Again, no substance, just lashing out and slinging mud, grow a pair and reach out to me personally, then I will take you serious. Thanks though for getting more people onboard the petition, your message a hate and delusion are backfiring.
09-08-2016, 06:09 AM
#8708
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
Lots of words here and I think most have stopped listening.
I will say that telling me someone was critical about the RAH MEC and NC doesn't exactly make me think that person is crazy. If a leadership group cannot either secure a RATIFIABLE agreement or get released in a seven year period I'd say deserves a major amount of criticism. That's not a conspiracy theory.
I don't know any on either side this senseless argument just making an observation. Having Kiwi as a prime supporter I think discredits someone more.
My guess is that anything that may or may not have happened at Duffys probably had both sides at fault. Both sides are passionate but there are always three sides to a story, one being the truth.
I will say that telling me someone was critical about the RAH MEC and NC doesn't exactly make me think that person is crazy. If a leadership group cannot either secure a RATIFIABLE agreement or get released in a seven year period I'd say deserves a major amount of criticism. That's not a conspiracy theory.
I don't know any on either side this senseless argument just making an observation. Having Kiwi as a prime supporter I think discredits someone more.
My guess is that anything that may or may not have happened at Duffys probably had both sides at fault. Both sides are passionate but there are always three sides to a story, one being the truth.
09-08-2016, 06:13 AM
#8709
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 75
Originally Posted by Justmeagain
I never saw Bendo there, but if he was, it's funny that MH showed up to cause problems at the same time....
I was there. Bendo did make a bathroom appearance. Nowhere near the same time this other stuff went down.
Just trying to keep facts straight instead of wild assumptions (I know, I should know better on here...)
09-08-2016, 06:20 AM
#8710
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 177
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Lots of words here and I think most have stopped listening.
I will say that telling me someone was critical about the RAH MEC and NC doesn't exactly make me think that person is crazy. If a leadership group cannot either secure a RATIFIABLE agreement or get released in a seven year period I'd say deserves a major amount of criticism. That's not a conspiracy theory.
I don't know any on either side this senseless argument just making an observation. Having Kiwi as a prime supporter I think discredits someone more.
My guess is that anything that may or may not have happened at Duffys probably had both sides at fault. Both sides are passionate but there are always three sides to a story, one being the truth.
I will say that telling me someone was critical about the RAH MEC and NC doesn't exactly make me think that person is crazy. If a leadership group cannot either secure a RATIFIABLE agreement or get released in a seven year period I'd say deserves a major amount of criticism. That's not a conspiracy theory.
I don't know any on either side this senseless argument just making an observation. Having Kiwi as a prime supporter I think discredits someone more.
My guess is that anything that may or may not have happened at Duffys probably had both sides at fault. Both sides are passionate but there are always three sides to a story, one being the truth.
I want to point out earlier someone commented on why the petition was aimed at the MEC and not management. The reason we have to go this route is that when this becomes a resolution we can require management to give us ponies, but it has no teeth. The MEC must ratify any agreement the NC hands to them before it reaches the pilot group for a vote, they are the firewall. By requiring any contract to contain retro before it is ratifiable by the MEC in turn requires management to agree to it. It might seem like semantics, but legally we wanted to make sure the petition could be turned into a word for word resolution and not change anything. If we changed wording when it goes to resolution it may cause some who supported the petition to back out, or the naysayers will use that as ammo to shoot it down, claiming that was not what the petition was for. Basically just making sure that the petition mirrors any resolution and keep the message as transparent as possible.
https://www.change.org/p/spa-mec-dem...irit-airlines?
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