Are you sorry if your effort is detrimental to the pilot group as a whole, and helps our management?

 

Ya you guys need to put that on ice for now. Seriously


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The effort may be credible. The timing, however, is off. You're completely wasting your time. Let it go...it's not happening during negotiations. You will not get a new LEC prior to a new CBA. Guaranteed.

The "when" in question would be following the signing of a new CBA, not a moment before. Until that moment, you're doing nothing but wasting everyone's time.

 

The problem is that these guys need a local before a new cba in order to throw a monkey wrench into negotiations which apparently is their goal because they want NC change above all else. It will never happen but if it did, it would seriously set back negotiations. There is nothing of substance they can do right now to force a new local. It's just like the petition, a lot of noise, no teeth. I think the best course of action - difficult as it may be - is to ignore them until after a cba is reached. Until then, they are just a distraction.

 

Agreed.




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The primary goal for DFW's own LEC is not to change the NC. I can't argue that there are some who view that as part of the plan. The main goal is to gain representation for DFW's pilots. As has been mentioned extensively we do not feel properly represented by those who were elected on our behalf. Like a certain someone else they ran on a platform proclaiming transparency but have proven to be anything but. They pledged to alternate meetings between domiciles but haven't.

This new "L4D" screen name that has popped up the last couple of days is one person representing their own ideas. Unfortunately they made a name that gives the impression they are speaking for us all.

 

gold. Pure gold.


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You are represented, you had a chance to vote for a rep. RP and JA got more votes, plenty of Dallas votes, too.
Now, if we had known what JA was going to do, it might have come out different. Or maybe not, since their opponents in that election wanted a friendlier tone to management - wanted Spirit to be like Google from what I recall - High Five!!
Regardless, looking forward - RP and JA still has to represent and be accountable to all LEC77 members. Physical location for meetings does not matter, most of us commute, anyways.

 

This is a serious question, not trying to flame bait. If the DFW base feels so unrepresented, why didn't you vote in a member of your base when the 77 elections were held? Every one of you (that had voting rights in the 77) could've been nominated for a position. Moreover, every one of you could've voted to put said nominee into LEC 77 office.
I don't know the answer, but I'd be willing to bet a very small percentage of those eligible DFW pilots actually voted in the last 77 election.

If this is the case, I'd say your argument of being unrepresented holds little water. We have a democratic process in place for you (the figurative you) to ensure proper representation...again, I doubt a large majority of DFW pilots participated (hell, I have my doubts even a simple majority voted or took part in the process).

So why should the LEC4DFW position of lack of representation be taken seriously when you (again the figurative you), more than likely, didn't even have a majority of your pilots participate in the last election?

 

Recall JA and nominate your own guy. Win win.