Spirit of NKS, Part II
09-08-2016, 06:20 AM
#8711
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So bendo did show up? I thought that was a joke
09-08-2016, 06:28 AM
#8712
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
So bendo did show up? I thought that was a joke
09-08-2016, 06:42 AM
#8713
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Originally Posted by Audi2000
Another new login? Same IP, same message, funny how desperate a few of you are to denigrate those standing up for you, substance abuser now? BTW, I have no idea what you are talking about, I was barely at RAH for 12 months, I never gave a **** about that place, nor did I have time for message boards, if I stated anything it was about the corruption and lack of transparency of the TEAMSTERS. I was right and Sowell went to jail for it, so how am I wrong for outing criminals in the union? (I was deposed for grievance) Again, no substance, just lashing out and slinging mud, grow a pair and reach out to me personally, then I will take you serious. Thanks though for getting more people onboard the petition, your message a hate and delusion are backfiring.
If you were there for only 12 months, why do I remember your name? Could it be that you were a prolific abuser of the message board? It didn't take a genius to see that RAH wasn't a great place to be and you're no genius!
By the way, I would encourage everyone that believes in DFW having their own LEC to demand that they be shown the SPAALPA finances. Ask yourself some objective questions:
How much dues income does SPAALPA generate?
How much does it cost to run an LEC?
How much income for ALPA does each base generate?
Now look at Spirit's finances:
Which bases are the biggest income generators for Spirit?
Which bases are under the most revenue pressure from our competitors?
Everyone should get educated about the finances of ourselves and Spirit. The $2.5 million MCF that we were able to secure from ALPA will be coming from whom? Delta/United/FedEx Pilots, that's who? We can't afford another LEC at this time. We wouldn't be be good stewards of other's money! Period.
09-08-2016, 07:14 AM
#8714
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Originally Posted by Audi2000
You are right, I will stop entertaining these trolls.
I want to point out earlier someone commented on why the petition was aimed at the MEC and not management. The reason we have to go this route is that when this becomes a resolution we can require management to give us ponies, but it has no teeth. The MEC must ratify any agreement the NC hands to them before it reaches the pilot group for a vote, they are the firewall. By requiring any contract to contain retro before it is ratifiable by the MEC in turn requires management to agree to it. It might seem like semantics, but legally we wanted to make sure the petition could be turned into a word for word resolution and not change anything. If we changed wording when it goes to resolution it may cause some who supported the petition to back out, or the naysayers will use that as ammo to shoot it down, claiming that was not what the petition was for. Basically just making sure that the petition mirrors any resolution and keep the message as transparent as possible.
https://www.change.org/p/spa-mec-dem...irit-airlines?
I want to point out earlier someone commented on why the petition was aimed at the MEC and not management. The reason we have to go this route is that when this becomes a resolution we can require management to give us ponies, but it has no teeth. The MEC must ratify any agreement the NC hands to them before it reaches the pilot group for a vote, they are the firewall. By requiring any contract to contain retro before it is ratifiable by the MEC in turn requires management to agree to it. It might seem like semantics, but legally we wanted to make sure the petition could be turned into a word for word resolution and not change anything. If we changed wording when it goes to resolution it may cause some who supported the petition to back out, or the naysayers will use that as ammo to shoot it down, claiming that was not what the petition was for. Basically just making sure that the petition mirrors any resolution and keep the message as transparent as possible.
https://www.change.org/p/spa-mec-dem...irit-airlines?
Remember when you filed a restraining order against a fellow pilot and then had to fly with him. I do. Ha ha ha ha
09-08-2016, 07:17 AM
#8715
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Originally Posted by Tine
Remember when you filed a restraining order against a fellow pilot and then had to fly with him. I do. Ha ha ha ha
Do you think Audi tells his converts that one?
09-08-2016, 07:24 AM
#8716
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Is Audi2000 the same guy who created this change.org petition? Who the **** does he think he is, sounds like he needs to be on a no fly list.
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09-08-2016, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by illtake2
Is Audi2000 the same guy who created this change.org petition? Who the **** does he think he is, sounds like he needs to be on a no fly list.
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09-08-2016, 07:52 AM
#8718
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Originally Posted by Justmeagain
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Teamsters were in trouble at RAH because of Sowell and TM (business agent). Everyone knew it and several moved against them, only to be accused of "seditious weasleyism (sp?)". Gene held all the cards and eventually Teamsters put the local into trusteeship. It improved after this, but was occasionally hijacked by people who overreached. I'll give an example: asking for more than any other regional airline pilots were getting = mediator putting you on ice. RAH management was adept at working with codeshare partners, to shift flying to others in order to help them stave off the union demands and inability to staff. Eventually, they got a decent group of guys that made something happen. Is it an awesome agreement? No. It's a good step in the right direction though. This is why negotiations dragged on over there.
If you were there for only 12 months, why do I remember your name? Could it be that you were a prolific abuser of the message board? It didn't take a genius to see that RAH wasn't a great place to be and you're no genius!
By the way, I would encourage everyone that believes in DFW having their own LEC to demand that they be shown the SPAALPA finances. Ask yourself some objective questions:
How much dues income does SPAALPA generate?
How much does it cost to run an LEC?
How much income for ALPA does each base generate?
Now look at Spirit's finances:
Which bases are the biggest income generators for Spirit?
Which bases are under the most revenue pressure from our competitors?
Everyone should get educated about the finances of ourselves and Spirit. The $2.5 million MCF that we were able to secure from ALPA will be coming from whom? Delta/United/FedEx Pilots, that's who? We can't afford another LEC at this time. We wouldn't be be good stewards of other's money! Period.
If you were there for only 12 months, why do I remember your name? Could it be that you were a prolific abuser of the message board? It didn't take a genius to see that RAH wasn't a great place to be and you're no genius!
By the way, I would encourage everyone that believes in DFW having their own LEC to demand that they be shown the SPAALPA finances. Ask yourself some objective questions:
How much dues income does SPAALPA generate?
How much does it cost to run an LEC?
How much income for ALPA does each base generate?
Now look at Spirit's finances:
Which bases are the biggest income generators for Spirit?
Which bases are under the most revenue pressure from our competitors?
Everyone should get educated about the finances of ourselves and Spirit. The $2.5 million MCF that we were able to secure from ALPA will be coming from whom? Delta/United/FedEx Pilots, that's who? We can't afford another LEC at this time. We wouldn't be be good stewards of other's money! Period.
What does an lec need to operate? Election every 3 years.
4 meetings a year(trip drops/hotels)
Mec meetings (trip drops/hotels)
Communication? (Everything is digital)
The random representation of pilots that costs some trip drop.
In the big scheme of things, it's not all that much considering the lack of representation for all pilots. Just my .02
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09-08-2016, 07:56 AM
#8719
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Originally Posted by Justmeagain
By the way, I would encourage everyone that believes in DFW having their own LEC to demand that they be shown the SPAALPA finances. Ask yourself some objective questions:
How much dues income does SPAALPA generate?
How much does it cost to run an LEC?
How much income for ALPA does each base generate?
Now look at Spirit's finances:
Which bases are the biggest income generators for Spirit?
Which bases are under the most revenue pressure from our competitors?
Everyone should get educated about the finances of ourselves and Spirit. The $2.5 million MCF that we were able to secure from ALPA will be coming from whom? Delta/United/FedEx Pilots, that's who? We can't afford another LEC at this time. We wouldn't be be good stewards of other's money! Period.
You know the truth or you wouldn't be asking the question. Why not just post the facts vs some politically motivated BS? Could it be that the facts don't back up the perceptions you hope to create?
For the rest of you, I'll give you this. Frontier has locals at all domiciles. JetBlue has locals at all domiciles. JetBlue even has multiple status reps at JFK in order to provide suitable representation for those pilots.
At other than rapidly evolving/devolving "fee for departure" carriers, ALPA properties include separate locals except for geographically linked areas.
We, SPA ALPA, are the exception. Not the rule.
Edit: just notice squeaky bananas post. Ditto squeaky
Last edited by skybolt; 09-08-2016 at 08:02 AM. Reason: added support for squeaky banana
09-08-2016, 07:58 AM
#8720
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Originally Posted by Justmeagain
Really?
Do you think Audi tells his converts that one?
Do you think Audi tells his converts that one?
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