Ya, 'MIA' (of Beando) is currently a more likely scenario.

 

Did he not show for negotiations.

 

Messiah? Hardly. What's wrong with suggesting we fix this place? Or maybe the jokes on me? Are you another spirit pilot accustomed the ghetto, 10 passwords, minimal training and a payroll department that's as tight as a sieve.

 

Fixing the payroll department and IT department is SO FAR BEYOND my job description. They don't even pay us at an appropriate level to fly airplanes, no less, fix the infrastructure.

 

I'm still trying to figure out "tight as a sieve" is that anything like "loose as a steel trap?"

 

And you might be right! Look, out of 14 yrs in 121 across 3 airlines I have had 4 yrs of a current cba. I can see them dragging it out honestly. There are certain mitigating factors that I would like to point out though.

One, applicants are drying up fast. Delta is on their tier two applicants right now. So anyone with an average application will get a call eventually. Straight from a buddy at delta says they plan on hiring 1500 next year and 1600 the following. That's just Delta, American and UAL I heard are similar numbers.

Two, yes we might start hiring guys that might not be able to get other jobs, but how many can you hire before the pilot group starts getting ****ed, maybe starts calling in sick when they see certain people on their pairings. I'm not saying this will get us a TA im just saying it helps this place become even more desirable to work.

Three, we are not asking for industry leading and taking I think a very reasonable approach to these negotiations. The mediator I hope isn't a complete idiot will see through the Companies BS.

Attrition might not of been that high or what we thought it was, but it's picking up. I know of two leaving. SW and Delta.

So if they want to drag it out then fine, add more fuel to the fire. At a certain point you can't put it out. And like I said previously and you cared to point out " apply elsewhere" believe me I am!

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don't forget the coming recession next year when the mighty o'bama is out of office. get ready for the hype of we can't pay you no mo in dis economy.....it's all in the playbook

 

I would like to see the union include in its updates, a Congratulations to pilot's who have moved on to greener pastures. Include the names of pilots who left the previous month, where they went to, and their reason for leaving. Obviously this would require the resigning pilot's consent to participate in sharing this info but I imagine most would.

Thoughts??

 

B. DeltaSnapUp

1. If the pilots of Delta Air Lines ratify a new or modified agreement containing increases in hourly rates of pay (regardless of whether the agreement is the result of bargaining conducted under Section 6, Title I, of the Railway Labor Act but limited to a single agreement) on or before January 1, 2018 and the average increase in Delta’s hourly rates of pay is greater than that included in this Agreement, then the hourly rates of pay included in this Agreement shall be adjusted in accordance with Paragraph B.2, below. Should the pilots of Delta Air Lines reach a sequence of agreements (e.g., an interim protocol agreement in

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which the initial agreement provides an increase in hourly rates of pay followed by a subsequent comprehensive agreement), such agreements shall be considered a single agreement for the purpose of this Paragraph B.1. In order to determine whether the increases in hourly rates of pay in the Delta agreement exceed those contained in this Agreement, the following shall apply:

For the purposes of this analysis and the adjustments, the increase calculations related to this Agreement are measured from the January 1, 2016 rates provided in the 2012 United Pilot Agreement. The Delta increase calculations are measured from rates in effect prior to ratification of a new Delta agreement.

If the Delta percentage increase(s) in hourly rates of pay varies by equipment type, a weighted average increase will be calculated based on Delta’s most recent operating mainline fleet count filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission as of the date of signing of the new Delta agreement.

For the purposes of this analysis and the adjustments contained in Paragraph B.2, the Delta increases in hourly rates of pay will be modified for any economic changes in the pilot profit sharing plan.

The modification will use Delta’s actual profit sharing payout for the most recent completed plan year. The modification calculation will use as the baseline the profit sharing plan structure as specified in the Delta Pilot Working Agreement effective July 1, 2012. The profit sharing payout will then be recalculated based on any new pilot plan parameters. The difference between the actual payout and the recalculated payout will be converted to an equivalent percentage of pay rate which will serve as the modification to the increase in hourly rates of pay and will be applied to the first year in which Delta accrues for this change. For example, if the changes to the Delta profit sharing plan only become effective with the accruals for 2018 plan year, the net effect on compensation will only be calculated for hourly rates of pay starting in 2018.

These net increases in compensation (the “Net Delta Increases”) will be used to establish the value of any adjustments made in accordance with Paragraph B.2, below.

For the purpose of determining whether the value of the Delta agreement exceeds that of this Agreement, if the agreements are of different lengths:

i. If the Delta agreement exceeds four (4) years in duration, only the first four (4) years of the agreement will be considered;

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ii. If the length of the Delta agreement exceeds that of this Agreement, an implied increase of two (2) percent will be applied to hourly rates of pay contained in this Agreement for an additional year in order to make the agreement lengths equal.

2. Adjustment Methodology

a. If the Net Delta Increase triggers an adjustment to the rates of pay contained in this Agreement, such adjustment will be applied as follows:

i. The compounded Net Delta Increase shall be calculated as of the following dates:

Date of signing of the Delta agreement

January 1, 2017 (if applicable)

January 1, 2018

January 1, 2019

b. If the compounded Net Delta Increase exceeds the compounded increase contained in this Agreement on any of those applicable dates, the hourly rates of pay included in this Agreement shall be increased such that the compounded increases in the two agreements are the same as of that date.

Nothing contained in this provision shall result in an increase of less than three (3) percent to occur on the first day of the January, 2017 Bid Period or less than two (2) percent to occur on the first day of the January, 2018 Bid Period;

Nothing contained in this provision shall cause the adjusted compounded increases contained in this Agreement to exceed the compounded increases contained in the Delta agreement or widen a gap if Delta’s compounded increases are lower, at any point during the term of this Agreement. Hourly rates of pay for a specific Status, longevity step, or Equipment type may differ from the comparable Delta rate regardless of any adjustments.

3. Within fifteen (15) days of the date of signing of any Delta agreement, the parties shall meet to determine whether or not the Delta agreement triggers the snap up provisions contained in this Paragraph B, as well as the required amount of any adjustments. Should such Delta agreement contain increases in hourly rates of pay that are indeterminate as of the date of signing of the Delta agreement, the

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parties shall meet to evaluate whether the hourly rates of pay contained in this Agreement should be modified for any remaining year(s).

For any date of signing increase, the effective date of the change to the hourly rates of pay contained in this Agreement shall be the first day of the second Bid Period that starts after the date of signing of the new Delta agreement. Notwithstanding Paragraph B.2.b.ii, the effective date for any required annual increase shall remain the first day of the January Bid Period.

Should the parties fail to reach agreement on whether or not these provisions are triggered or the value of any of the adjustments the parties agree to submit the issue to expedited arbitration. The dispute shall be heard by the System Board of Adjustment no later than thirty (30) days following the submission of the issue to the System Board and decided no later than thirty (30) days after the record is closed in the hearing, unless the parties agree otherwise in writing. Any decision by the System Board shall be applied retroactively to the date the adjustment would have been made had there been no dispute.

 

Forgot about upgrade times for a new hire right now is not going to be 3 years prob double or more than that.


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