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Old 10-18-2016 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
Interesting.
I thought 'sucks' as we're alot further apart than 27%.
Old 10-18-2016 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by abbynormallaw
The mediator offers suggestions, but that's it. She will decide if an impasse has been met and the call for a cooling off period. If nobody gives after that, then we will be released for self help.
The mediator can only recommend to the NMB to release both parties. She doesn't make the decision for release. The NMB can choose to not take the recommendation. It has happened.
Old 10-18-2016 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by putzin
I thought 'sucks' as we're alot further apart than 27%.
Maybe "on paper" but management knows what they are going to have to pay. They aren't as stupid as we say they are


Ok, family of 4, what's the best health plan and why?

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Old 10-18-2016 | 11:25 AM
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Looks like TH joined our whatsapp chat just to spy on us. He won't answer any union related question. Why is he there?
Old 10-18-2016 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by abbynormallaw
The mediator offers suggestions, but that's it. She will decide if an impasse has been met and the call for a cooling off period. If nobody gives after that, then we will be released for self help.
. Wait a minute. If the mediatior offers suggestions only, why are we wasting time in mediation?
Old 10-18-2016 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
What is your definition of better recurrent training?

Longer modules for the EFB training for recurrent?
Longer oral exams?
More limitation and memory items for PCs?
Ground School exams in which the Riddle kids get to write themselves and not have them tempered down after someone with realistic standards looks at the exam?

Slippery slope right there....

Would you like PTs for FOs every 6 months, like it is with CAs?

Would it be nice to try some new things on the warm up sim, yeah. Will that change our training or other standard/AQP airline training from a "check the box" training environment, I dont think so.
We need a change in philosophy. In my opinion the training is seen as an expense to be minimized as opposed to being the core of what we do. Except for the guy from Trinidad it seems safety is a buzzword for management. The sim guys are great but again the entire training philosophy should be reexamined.
At legacy airlines I think those guys were able to get the ear of management and really convince them it's in their long term interest to put resources into the department.
If we, as line pilots, don't think we need better training then I guess there won't be any changes. I think focusing efforts on improving our training department is a worthy goal.
Old 10-18-2016 | 12:22 PM
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Jezuz. Look at deltas new F/A Uniforms? They couldnt find any models who arent + size?

yikes


http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/de...-uniforms.html


Also,DELTAs T/Ad rates and where they fall among other "Upper Tier" airlines

http://www.taprocon.com/source-docs/PayComparisonSlides
Old 10-18-2016 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Din
We need a change in philosophy. In my opinion the training is seen as an expense to be minimized as opposed to being the core of what we do. Except for the guy from Trinidad it seems safety is a buzzword for management. The sim guys are great but again the entire training philosophy should be reexamined.
At legacy airlines I think those guys were able to get the ear of management and really convince them it's in their long term interest to put resources into the department.
If we, as line pilots, don't think we need better training then I guess there won't be any changes. I think focusing efforts on improving our training department is a worthy goal.
Didn't quite get this reference
Old 10-18-2016 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
Jezuz. Look at deltas new F/A Uniforms? They couldnt find any models who arent + size?

yikes
"You got a problem with my uniform, suga? You aint ready for all of this, monkey boy"
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Old 10-18-2016 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
"You got a problem with my uniform, suga? You aint ready for all of this, monkey boy"
Walmart models.
There is a zipper or series of buttons somewhere in there that's holding on for dear life.
Someone is in mid stride about to strike some oil!
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