Wrong. Thanks for cherry picking the 2 sentences out of 2 length replies I wrote that fits your narrative to try and align me to management. If you go back and read the posts Im not advocating for management, substandard raises or any lack of significant improvements.

We will not get 300/hr and a 16% DC because thats not how negotiating, pattern bargaining and this industry work. Im sorry if you and other delusional and scorned members of this forum and pilot group can't understand that. What you cared to ignore is there is a tremendous cost associated with 40% raises at DOS. It would be more beneficial and more realistic for us to negotiate these raises different and layered, thus getting more over the duration of the contract. But please, be my guest. Continue to hide in your delusional chest beating bubble where anyone who is not expecting to set the new industry gold standard for contracts is a management sympathizer.

 

Another self-serving half truth by Qotsaautopilot. The ERJ contract does have a small DC that is based on their pilot earnings. With a contract that never exceeds 100/hr according to APC. How much do you think that DC is worth to their pilots over the lifetime of their careers at those wages? The CRJ has a small 401K matching based on years of seniority.

But according to your logic, ExpressJet should be trying to leapfrog our contract on rates so they set the bar higher for all other airlines negotiating to then capitalize from, right?

Plain and simple, a DC and a larger match percentage would be an improvement for us in retirement.

 

Im not involved with P2P or any of that stuff. What I do prescribe to is logic and objectiveness. Ive said many times to wait for a deal to come out, see and read it in its totality and look at the improvements and hopefully not, the lack of improvements and make a decision.

But to you and the rest of the tin foil hat club that migrates here to spew your uninformed bile to the masses that classifies as managing expectations?

 

Fortunately or not, there are only 20-30 of us here out of 1100 pilots. The ABSOLUTE minority.

 

I keep hearing we can't expect Majors pay rates and keep our quality of life. Let's say we did get a TA with their pay rates, do you believe it would include a DC near 16% or any amount of profit sharing, because I do not. So why is unreasonable to seek Major pay rates and keep our quality of life and let the majors keep their pay rates and their DC and profit sharing. We both then have something the other doesn't and yet could have similar pay scales. With this in mind, some will say we still can't expect majors pay rates and I respect that, but then why would we be willing to accept anything less than the industry average pay rates contained on the salary comparison sent out by our Union? Fine we can't get major pay rates and keep our quality of life but I would like our future pay rates to be closer to the majors than to JB, Alaska, or Virgin. Besides I don't think we should be compared financially to JB, AS, or VA because they aren't bringing in the profit margins we are and I think if we want to stand out as a company to be reckoned with than we need to be closer to the majors pay scales and not the JB, AS, or VA pay scales. I'm just tired of the mentality of we have to give up our quality of life to get majors pay rates. We don't have to do that because they still have some things we won't ever see like amazing DC retirement and profit sharing.

 

You will see the good rates in the contract. The issue on here has been whether or not (new) UAL rates should occur at DOS. It's just not realistic regardless of how long we wait. Im confident you will see very healthy hourly rates in somewhere in the duration of the contract.

 

Yes I don't expect UAL pay rates DOS, but I hope the pay rates in our future TA are CLOSER to the UAL rates than to JB, AS, or VA. I feel it's time to surpass JB, AS, and VA and it's time pull away.

 

You know that is not allowed here, right?

 

couldn't agree more. and they will but in the meantime we are all becoming very impatient...

 

SAVE up over 5% this morning and on a tear this week. Is Wall St. convinced by the BB sales pitch regarding the fight with AA being a non event? Or is something else up?