Squallrider

Hey guys,

Did a search found a post from 2015...any chance of first year pay being raised to be closer to United/ Delta etc. for most people coming from a regional that are captains 40k or so in income drop is a bit much to handle.

Anyone go through recently know the composition of the new hires? Mostly previous captains/ FOs/ military?

Qotsaautopilot

My guess is they will view you as a flight risk if you're a regional captain. They might hire you but my guess is they would prefer someone less experienced that they could trap since they have zero interest in coming to the table with something worth ratifying at this point.

When a TA does come im not sure where first year pay might be. The negotiating committee and many pilots view first year pay as something we shouldn't spend negotiating capital on and market forces will force the company to bring it in line with other Airbus operators. I personally think the company would be fine with getting less qualified applicants to save money on first year pay. That's not really acceptable to many such as myself because I don't want to be giving OE every trip for no override because the NC chose to let the company do the right thing (which they won't).

Long story short is who knows?

I won't vote for anything that doesn't mirror United's pay and retirement at all longevities especially since they will jump again to whatever delta gets with the me too clause they have and then be negotiating again in January 2019. Anything less than what they have will have us being the anchor again in just 3 years if not sooner.

Squallrider

Makes sense, I doubt staffing will be a issue anytime soon so why raise pay if people will come anyway.

gonyon

Well one would hope that they would try to stay out in front of it rather than getting into a bad situation before addressing it.


Trump 2016

The Juice

I bet that even with a TA, first year pay wont be over $50/hr for first year. Hopefully this contract will have DOS raises for first year pay, something we didnt have this contract.

The current pay scale hurts from top to bottom, some less/more in certain areas. But I believe money can be better spent fixing the slope vs bringing FO pay up to Legacy first year rates at DOS.

As a regional CA you are either waiting for your flow, or if there isnt a flow, you may be stuck for a while in that regional seat while all the flow/military is hired for Legacy jobs. So its not like a regional CA is deciding "Spirit or flow."

Squallrider

Only true flow is american which I agree theres very little chance for OTS hires after the military guys get in, DL doesn't have flow just guaranteed interviews from some regionals (all the compass guys are flowed) and UA has no flow agreement but theres something in the works for Expressjet with them, so not sure about being stuck but if you're a regional CA then American is unlikely.

VegassBus

Don't mention the Slope.

PLANE RAMROD will lose his f-----g mind.

I agree with you though Slope is priority #1 for me (and scope,ltd, retirment, lol)

Plane Ramrod

Think about that for a second. What you are saying is you don't care what the pay rate is, just so we are all paid the same. Let's make everyone equally miserable. How perfectly socialist of you.

TerrainOnND

I don't think "everyone being paid the same" is what fixing slope means. I believe fixing slope means putting EVERYONE in line with the industry, not just those at the top of the scale at the expense of everyone else. So don't worry, you'd still get more money than junior pilots.

flyguyniner11

Must be a millennial with that me me me attitude.