Spirit of NKS, Part II
07-24-2016, 05:18 PM
#7501
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: 320 Left
Posts: 95
Originally Posted by Hotel8
New on the forums here, I just heard about this place!
Some of the latest contract rumors I've heard:
-Hourly rates similar to proposed Allegiant hourly pay scale for any A320 family aircraft up to 228 seats.
-5% reduction to current hourly pay scale applied to new Small Narrow Body aircraft. (CS100/300)
-PBS to replace line bidding, elimination of transition conflict
-Reserve modified to Long Call Reserve (12 hr call out), Short Call Reserve (current 3 Hr call out), and Airport Standby Reserve (8 Hr Airport Standby shifts).
- Long Call Reserve may be converted to Short Call Reserve with 36 hr notice. Max of 4 days/month may be converted.
-Long Call and Short Call Reserve may not be changed to Airport Standby Reserve.
-Airport Standby Reserve daily min credit greater of 5.0 hrs or block flown.
-Deadhead pay at 75% of hourly flight pay.
-110% premium for time flown above 82 hours.
-JA pay 150%
-Long Stay hotel provisions eliminated in exchange for breakfast vouchers provided at all hotels.
-Exploration of "Ab-Initio" style training program implementation.
-Professional (non seniority list) instructors to conduct all training events except for PC and Type Rating.
-Current pilot bases remain, proposed 6 month "base lock" for voluntary transfers between bases.
-Exploration of new crew bases for Small Narrow Body gauge aircraft at 2nd-tier airports due to gate availability at large hubs.
I guess we will have to give up a few things to get higher hourly rates, this seems like a win-win to get the pay up to standard.
Some of the latest contract rumors I've heard:
-Hourly rates similar to proposed Allegiant hourly pay scale for any A320 family aircraft up to 228 seats.
-5% reduction to current hourly pay scale applied to new Small Narrow Body aircraft. (CS100/300)
-PBS to replace line bidding, elimination of transition conflict
-Reserve modified to Long Call Reserve (12 hr call out), Short Call Reserve (current 3 Hr call out), and Airport Standby Reserve (8 Hr Airport Standby shifts).
- Long Call Reserve may be converted to Short Call Reserve with 36 hr notice. Max of 4 days/month may be converted.
-Long Call and Short Call Reserve may not be changed to Airport Standby Reserve.
-Airport Standby Reserve daily min credit greater of 5.0 hrs or block flown.
-Deadhead pay at 75% of hourly flight pay.
-110% premium for time flown above 82 hours.
-JA pay 150%
-Long Stay hotel provisions eliminated in exchange for breakfast vouchers provided at all hotels.
-Exploration of "Ab-Initio" style training program implementation.
-Professional (non seniority list) instructors to conduct all training events except for PC and Type Rating.
-Current pilot bases remain, proposed 6 month "base lock" for voluntary transfers between bases.
-Exploration of new crew bases for Small Narrow Body gauge aircraft at 2nd-tier airports due to gate availability at large hubs.
I guess we will have to give up a few things to get higher hourly rates, this seems like a win-win to get the pay up to standard.
- No
- No
- Yes, Yes, 8 hours?...YGTBSM...No
- Try...4 days per quarter...or just...No
- See previous
- See previous
- Uhhh...No
- Yes
- Ache-EEE-Double Hockey Sticks No
- Seriously?
- No
- No...professional my a$$...
- No
- See previous
Your "win win" assessment is an outlying data point. This sounds just like the rumors flying around last fall about an imminent deal. My analysis...troll
Thanks for playing
GP
07-24-2016, 05:29 PM
#7502
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,420
Does anyone actually believe this is a real proposal?
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07-24-2016, 05:33 PM
#7503
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
It's not a real offer so don't even give it a response. The proposal given in December was more than that and more than what allegiant is about to ratify and our NC didn't even TA it. In fact it was so insulting they released it to us to show us what kind of greedy a-holes we are dealing with on the other side of the table.
Management is getting very antsy because delta will be seeing something soon and if ratified United will immediately snap up to them. Hell the allegiant offer in 2021 didn't even meet what united has today. How those guys can vote for that in good conscience is beyond me.
Bendo mentioned over a year ago when the first delta TA failed it was because of a strong social media campaign from the pilots, so he's highly aware of the roll these forums play in shaping the thoughts of the group. I imagine we wil start seeing more of these Hotel8 types popping up with ridiculous rumors about offers just to get us to negotiate a counter online. Avoid doing that. It only gives them more ammo to come at us with in negotiations.
Edit:gypsy pilot I suggest you edit your response above because your first response doesn't match the others. Allegiant rates are insulting and for reasons I mentioned above. We will see $300 narrow body captains in this country in the next six years.
Management is getting very antsy because delta will be seeing something soon and if ratified United will immediately snap up to them. Hell the allegiant offer in 2021 didn't even meet what united has today. How those guys can vote for that in good conscience is beyond me.
Bendo mentioned over a year ago when the first delta TA failed it was because of a strong social media campaign from the pilots, so he's highly aware of the roll these forums play in shaping the thoughts of the group. I imagine we wil start seeing more of these Hotel8 types popping up with ridiculous rumors about offers just to get us to negotiate a counter online. Avoid doing that. It only gives them more ammo to come at us with in negotiations.
Edit:gypsy pilot I suggest you edit your response above because your first response doesn't match the others. Allegiant rates are insulting and for reasons I mentioned above. We will see $300 narrow body captains in this country in the next six years.
07-24-2016, 05:43 PM
#7504
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by Gypsy Pilot
- Yes
- No
- No
- Yes, Yes, 8 hours?...YGTBSM...No
- Try...4 days per quarter...or just...No
- See previous
- See previous
- Uhhh...No
- Yes
- Ache-EEE-Double Hockey Sticks No
- Seriously?
- No
- No...professional my a$$...
- No
- See previous
Your "win win" assessment is an outlying data point. This sounds just like the rumors flying around last fall about an imminent deal. My analysis...troll
Thanks for playing
GP
- No
- No
- Yes, Yes, 8 hours?...YGTBSM...No
- Try...4 days per quarter...or just...No
- See previous
- See previous
- Uhhh...No
- Yes
- Ache-EEE-Double Hockey Sticks No
- Seriously?
- No
- No...professional my a$$...
- No
- See previous
Your "win win" assessment is an outlying data point. This sounds just like the rumors flying around last fall about an imminent deal. My analysis...troll
Thanks for playing
GP
07-24-2016, 05:56 PM
#7505
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: 320 Left
Posts: 95
Originally Posted by NotAHobby7
I hope that was a typo if you say yes to those pay rates!? Regardless, blatant trolling/flaming/management.
07-24-2016, 06:15 PM
#7506
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by Gypsy Pilot
It wasn't a typo. I don't take his post seriously, except as discussion points.
07-24-2016, 06:18 PM
#7507
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
Originally Posted by Gypsy Pilot
It wasn't a typo. I don't take his post seriously, except as discussion points.
07-24-2016, 08:31 PM
#7508
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: A320
Posts: 694
Guys seriously, stop discussing this. It's completely bogus. When the NC has something substantial, it'll be presented. Tune this trolling garbage out and don't negotiate in public.
07-24-2016, 08:42 PM
#7509
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by Judge Smails
Guys seriously, stop discussing this. It's completely bogus. When the NC has something substantial, it'll be presented. Tune this trolling garbage out and don't negotiate in public.
07-24-2016, 08:48 PM
#7510
Banned
Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 12
I think we need to consider the possibility of a merger with F9 as well. Which side of the fence are the aircraft orders going to fall?
Signing something that ensures NK pay and work rules prevail over F9 will work for everybody.
Signing something that ensures NK pay and work rules prevail over F9 will work for everybody.
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