Maybe, maybe not. 4 years is an eternity in this Industry. Only thing I know is I absolutely go to work and don't give a flying F----- if we go out late or if If I delay the flight because of a safety issue. I simply have zero F----- left to give

 

With UAL's retirements, if they are furloughing, I'd expect Spirit to be deferring A/c and not hiring (probably furloughing as well).

 

5 year Captain here...depressing as it is... four years to get back to square 1 is a big pill to swallow. Retirement and profit sharing is VERY important and lucrative long term. I hate to admit it but the goons in Miramar have me by the short hairs. I live a very frugal and modest lifestyle but with kids and appropriate saving and retirement planning the thought of starting over scares me. And the reality is, there's no way in hell we won't have a contract in four years. If we don't someone please repost this four years from today and make me eat my words. I suppose anything is possible. The point is our ask from June was omitting the new SWA book and the pending DAL AIP which lets just assume will pass. Truly hope they are trolling this board and understand how much more money they just cost themselves by playing this stall tactic. It will bite them in the long run. In the meantime let them pretend they run an employee friendly airline while FOs are leaving in droves. Never ceases to amaze me how truly clueless JS and JB are.

 

Damn good post. And Those two scumbags aren't clueless. They just don't fng care. It's the American way. **** your employees and squeeze them as much as you can to enrich the share holders.

I still can't believe that Tilton wasn't murdered when UAL went BK and he gave himself a multi million dollar bonus. Guys committed suicide over that. I'm truly surprised he wasn't a target

 

Obviously the picketing but what are other ways we can show investors how much we ******ing loath our management? How utterly dissatisfied we are with a "quick upgrade" and these patronizing high five type schemes meant for elementary children?



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We need an end of the world caused by Trump LOA stat!!



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Hey now, Ji-Na... Ji-Na is taking our jobs. Yuge jobs. They're leaving, and you know, we're talking about... I'm such a great debater... We're gonna win again, I have this secret plan, we're going to win so much you'll be sick of winning...

 

Large scale attrition in both left and right seats would give management a huge incentive to increase pay and benefits. Not to mention work rules.

 

You're still getting inundated with apps from regional pilots every month. It's hard to negotiate from an advantageous position when that is happening. Pay is going up everywhere though so I'm sure it is still just a matter of when not if.

 

Well NK has dropped its pants on basic requirements too, but if the classes are full then the point is moot I guess. First year FOs are so cheap they are loved by mgmt. You can give them Jr man and still not pay them anything. This won't resolve till seconds before a strike-there just isn't any reason for them to-their bonuses depend on not paying us.