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Old 02-08-2017 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
That's all well and good that all of these will help our cause, but for christs sake, Their contract was AMEDNABLE A YEAR AFTER ours, they started negotiating AFTER US and we are JUST NOW about to get to money items. This is getting to be absolutely rediculous.

At this rate, I'm sure Jet Blue and F9 will have a contract before us and UAL will probably start negotiating on their next contract,

Enough is enough already.
Damn, Chimpy triggered.
Can we please get a therapist to the ACY safe space ASAP with a coloring book and a therapy dog?
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Old 02-08-2017 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Damn, Chimpy triggered.
Can we please get a therapist to the ACY safe space ASAP with a coloring book and a therapy dog?
Lol, c'mon ramrod, you can't tell me you aren't frustrated
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Old 02-08-2017 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
Lol, c'mon ramrod, you can't tell me you aren't frustrated
Not really. Most of us knew this was going to take years going in. Even when certain mec members said expect a TA before the ammendable date. Glad you had a sense of humor about the trigger thing
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Old 02-08-2017 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Glad you had a sense of humor about the trigger thing
My sense of humor is the only thing I have left
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Old 02-08-2017 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 3inthegreen
"Bob, have a beer, on me! The way you f*cked over the lowest paid Airbus pilots in the world for over 3 years was truly remarkable. Now tell us how you did it. Oscar man, get over here! Bob is getting ready to let us in on the Spirit magic."---DUI Doug
"It was easy! the pilots did all the work for me."
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Old 02-08-2017 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by wisebuss
"It was easy! the pilots did all the work for me."
But that MUP and WDO, was so worth it.
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Old 02-08-2017 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Way to swing for the fences. Sarcasm

I've heard a few times (luckily not a lot), "I don't expect legacy pay."

Why the heck not?! Give me one good reason! One! Silence
Because arbitrators use historical precedence and you are not a legacy. And full disclaimer that while it would be nice, I'm not expecting to see payrates higher than Delta/United for the new AS either. And while some (many?) will say you're undervaluing oneself, self defeatist, lack of self respect, etc, the counter argument is that one is just trying to being a realist. Historical patterns matter in pattern bargaining and there are clear and distinct rungs of airlines and their associated pay/contract. Just IMO, believing otherwise you're just gonna set yourself up for disappointment for when the AIP / TA come out.
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Old 02-08-2017 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Because arbitrators use historical precedence and you are not a legacy. And full disclaimer that while it would be nice, I'm not expecting to see payrates higher than Delta/United for the new AS either. And while some (many?) will say you're undervaluing oneself, self defeatist, lack of self respect, etc, the counter argument is that one is just trying to being a realist. Historical patterns matter in pattern bargaining and there are clear and distinct rungs of airlines and their associated pay/contract. Just IMO, believing otherwise you're just gonna set yourself up for disappointment for when the AIP / TA come out.
An arbitrator has as much to do with pay rates as you have to do with spirit.
What a waste of electrons.
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Old 02-08-2017 | 12:07 PM
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We are in mediation not arbitration and will not ever be in arbitration
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Old 02-08-2017 | 12:15 PM
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I am curious if their new AIP will alter our ask at all or if it just brings up the floor beneath our initial ask (ala Allegiant)....
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