Crosswind Landings in a Swept Wing jet
#51
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This one is in very gusty conditions.
Looks like the speed bled off, and the plane landed hard, and caught a wing tip.
I had one veteran CRJ pilot tell me that in some cases the auto throttle can't keep up in this type of condition ?
CAUGHT ON VIDEO: Jet makes rough landing at RDU during high winds
Looks like the speed bled off, and the plane landed hard, and caught a wing tip.
I had one veteran CRJ pilot tell me that in some cases the auto throttle can't keep up in this type of condition ?
CAUGHT ON VIDEO: Jet makes rough landing at RDU during high winds
#52
As a newhire I flew a couple months (hard lines) with a guy who would make me land on the 5000 turboprop runway at PHL when we were light. Short field technique just means precision, no ducking under or dragging it in with a jet.
#53
#54
I’m pretty sure it is the Safe Flight system on the Challengers. An STC for sure, don’t know if approved for the CRJ-200. Works well enough on the 604/605, but not responsive enough in gusts.
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#55
There's definitely an option or STC for the 200, I know it's more common on 200's converted to bizjets. 200's have cables, 700/900 are FADEC, so that would be different technology, I'm not aware of an A/T option for the FADEC.
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I've been in the jumpseat and in the back of jets that fishtail like crazy after a Xwind landing (*think that Emirates A380 video.) What causes that? IN the jumpseat, looked like the guy had it nailed then next thing I know we're 30 feet Left then right of the CL.
#57
The 747 calls for landing crabbed.
There's a lot of mass to be kicking out, and while it can be done, the FCOM/AFM calls for landing crabbed. I've done it both ways, and combinations, in some very strong crosswinds and very gusty conditions.
Get some time in conventional gear airplanes where landing with any crab at all will eat your lunch for three days straight. You'll hear this advice all the time, and it isn't wrong, but what works in one aircraft isn't necessarily appropriate in others. Same for swept wing aircraft; the technique in one is not necessarily the technique in all.
There's a lot of mass to be kicking out, and while it can be done, the FCOM/AFM calls for landing crabbed. I've done it both ways, and combinations, in some very strong crosswinds and very gusty conditions.
Get some time in conventional gear airplanes where landing with any crab at all will eat your lunch for three days straight. You'll hear this advice all the time, and it isn't wrong, but what works in one aircraft isn't necessarily appropriate in others. Same for swept wing aircraft; the technique in one is not necessarily the technique in all.
Many airplanes simply do not have the control authority to track straight down the centerline at max limit crosswind, or trying would cause a wingtip or pod to drag on the runway.
If you put in about half as much aileron and rudder as needed to track the centerline 50 feet, then the final rudder application in the flare is much easier to judge, and you have a head start on the needed aileron application to keep the upwind wing from raising when the gear pulls the airplane straight after touchdown.
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Was the fishtail before or after the nosewheel touched down? You have rudder applied in the flare and touchdown and have to center it as the nose comes down. Sometimes you miss a little. 30' seems excessive.
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Can you share those articles re technique?
Any chance you could pm some of those articles which discuss technique?
QUOTE=Paladin145;2528939]As a new jet pilot, I am just starting to scratch the surface on this topic.
I would love to hear from some experienced Jet pilots on how to consistently make crosswind landings, with minimal risk of a wing tip strike ( specifcially the CRJ-200.)
I've found some great articles that talk about techniques for various aircraft. On the CRJ-200, There seems to be debate about:
- what RA height to "kick out the rudder".
- how much wing low to use?
- how close to the runway to use wing low.
- how far off the center line the nose can be, if any. ( if you have it perfectly straight, that involves more wing down. At > 15 kts crosswind, these seems to be getting close to the 5 ' AOB limit. )
Crosswind Landings[/QUOTE]
QUOTE=Paladin145;2528939]As a new jet pilot, I am just starting to scratch the surface on this topic.
I would love to hear from some experienced Jet pilots on how to consistently make crosswind landings, with minimal risk of a wing tip strike ( specifcially the CRJ-200.)
I've found some great articles that talk about techniques for various aircraft. On the CRJ-200, There seems to be debate about:
- what RA height to "kick out the rudder".
- how much wing low to use?
- how close to the runway to use wing low.
- how far off the center line the nose can be, if any. ( if you have it perfectly straight, that involves more wing down. At > 15 kts crosswind, these seems to be getting close to the 5 ' AOB limit. )
Crosswind Landings[/QUOTE]
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