F9 Flow
09-26-2019, 09:59 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by snowman911
24 years in the company before flow???
I was a 2015 hire and as of July's seniority list there were ~200 ahead of me. Granted they won't all "flow" but I would anticipate somewhere between 30-50 percent of them to. Many folks are jumping ship to places like Atlas, Allegiant, JetBlue, and Spirit... I would anticipate this to continue if not pickup after the holidays with 2020 right around the corner. It is tough to say what the landscape of the flow, or the company (TSA and TSH) will look like even a year from now.
09-26-2019, 06:35 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Relaxed
Posts: 6,940
Originally Posted by tommy2times
What and how exactly will the regional world will look like? Can you please collaborate...
There are 20,000 pilots with the regionals. Even not considering lifers, my crystal ball says 5 years average in the regionals. With that kind of pull, the vacuum will be tremendous. There will be some hires directly into the majors, without military or regional experience.
A lot of regionals will consolidate. My guess is there will be one fourth the number we have today. Also, the number of pilots flying regionals will be half what they are today.
Some of the 50s will be parked. 76s will take take up many of these routes, fewer per day. Some of the existing 76s will grow to A220 and A319 service. Fewer pilots for the same lift. Pretty much by necessity.
This is my crystal ball over the next 5 to 10 years. It has a pretty good track record.
09-26-2019, 07:46 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 484
I sure hope you’re right. I like the sound of all of it as I’m continuing to build time...
Originally Posted by TransWorld
In addition to retirements, there are early outs for various reasons, plus growth. My guess, after military hires and non-121 hires, the majors (Legacy, LCC, & Freight Dogs) will be hiring 4,000 per year from the regionals, sustained for a number of years.
There are 20,000 pilots with the regionals. Even not considering lifers, my crystal ball says 5 years average in the regionals. With that kind of pull, the vacuum will be tremendous. There will be some hires directly into the majors, without military or regional experience.
A lot of regionals will consolidate. My guess is there will be one fourth the number we have today. Also, the number of pilots flying regionals will be half what they are today.
Some of the 50s will be parked. 76s will take take up many of these routes, fewer per day. Some of the existing 76s will grow to A220 and A319 service. Fewer pilots for the same lift. Pretty much by necessity.
This is my crystal ball over the next 5 to 10 years. It has a pretty good track record.
There are 20,000 pilots with the regionals. Even not considering lifers, my crystal ball says 5 years average in the regionals. With that kind of pull, the vacuum will be tremendous. There will be some hires directly into the majors, without military or regional experience.
A lot of regionals will consolidate. My guess is there will be one fourth the number we have today. Also, the number of pilots flying regionals will be half what they are today.
Some of the 50s will be parked. 76s will take take up many of these routes, fewer per day. Some of the existing 76s will grow to A220 and A319 service. Fewer pilots for the same lift. Pretty much by necessity.
This is my crystal ball over the next 5 to 10 years. It has a pretty good track record.
10-28-2019, 08:01 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 313
Originally Posted by HeisenbergBlue
F9 Flow is a joke. Instead of taking the best pilots we get the most senior guys. They tend to have issues in training and attitude on the line. They don’t know how to be an FO. Whoever set this up made F9 think that a piece of coal was a brick of gold. Hopefully it goes away quickly.
As someone who's on track to upgrade at F9 in the next 3 months or so, I sincerely hope we start getting a better quality human being from y'all.
10-30-2019, 10:09 AM
#26
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: 145
Posts: 219
Originally Posted by Brickhut
Have heard nothing but horror stories of the Tranny flows from the CA's I've flown with lately. Bad attitudes, combative, "well, at TranStates, we did it this way..." types. Pretty much what you described: the inability to become an FO.
As someone who's on track to upgrade at F9 in the next 3 months or so, I sincerely hope we start getting a better quality human being from y'all.
As someone who's on track to upgrade at F9 in the next 3 months or so, I sincerely hope we start getting a better quality human being from y'all.
We've had some good guys leave, but we definitely shed a few of the weirdos with this flow...
12-15-2019, 06:27 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by WaterRooster
Anyone have the documentation that says TSA folks CANT go to F9 outside of the flow? I have people looking and can’t find it on either side.
12-16-2019, 11:40 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by tallow
If you apply to F9 outside the flow Frontier will send you a letter stating you can't be hired outside the flow.
12-20-2019, 07:19 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by WaterRooster
Right, so where is it documented that they will not hire outside of the flow? Typically there is a LOA or contract, something, that will lay out the terms. No one seems to have that.
ALPA has nothing to do with this. It is a deal between Frontier and Trans States management.
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