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Now, why would management lie about the one thing they are concerned most with? I could see them lying about us doing bad when we're doing good, but the inverse? What does it get them?
Whenever we fall below performance standards, we are told that we need to do a better job of getting out on-time. When we are told we are doing a good job with performance (like last month when we all got a bonus for all but AA completion factor), I believe we are doing pretty good. At least good enough that Hulas, the guy who is famously stingy when it comes to giving out free money, decides to give everyone a bonus.
Whenever we fall below performance standards, we are told that we need to do a better job of getting out on-time. When we are told we are doing a good job with performance (like last month when we all got a bonus for all but AA completion factor), I believe we are doing pretty good. At least good enough that Hulas, the guy who is famously stingy when it comes to giving out free money, decides to give everyone a bonus.
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You're an idiot. Mesa's contract was a disaster with barely any improvements and multiple concessions. It would have taken them from last place to...well, last place. Our contract took us from middle of the road to 2nd best in the industry. Oh, and we have another shot at improving it further with PBS. Go back to your bridge and enjoy making less money than me.
Your contract isn't better than xjt and air Wisconsin. So it's definitely not second best. Your contract is average.
I would say XJT and TSA are a wash. There are things that are better for XJT and some that are better for TSA. For example, TSA has better pay rates both captain and FO, better COLA increases (1.5% vs 0), same per diem but a scheduled increase, better sick payout for reserves (3.75/3.95 vs 4), faster rate of increase in vacation accrual (XJT 2nd tier, ASA 3rd tier)
XJT/ASA has better min days (2 XJT/3.86 ASA vs only reserve min day), split sick accrual per certificate (5 XJT or 2.75/3/3.25 ASA vs 3/3.5/4), Min days off only on the XJT side, vacation pay (3.5/3.75 vs 3.25), better health insurance caps (XJT 25%/ASA 30% vs 29%single/34% other), better retirement at XJT but worse at ASA until year 7.
With the value increase over the next 3 years and perpetual stagnation at ASA/XJT with the JCBA, I think the TSA contract has more value. Right now it's probably a wash, but I think it leans toward TSA. Some of the areas XJT/ASA is better could be fixed with the PBS agreement as well, min days as an example.
XJT/ASA has better min days (2 XJT/3.86 ASA vs only reserve min day), split sick accrual per certificate (5 XJT or 2.75/3/3.25 ASA vs 3/3.5/4), Min days off only on the XJT side, vacation pay (3.5/3.75 vs 3.25), better health insurance caps (XJT 25%/ASA 30% vs 29%single/34% other), better retirement at XJT but worse at ASA until year 7.
With the value increase over the next 3 years and perpetual stagnation at ASA/XJT with the JCBA, I think the TSA contract has more value. Right now it's probably a wash, but I think it leans toward TSA. Some of the areas XJT/ASA is better could be fixed with the PBS agreement as well, min days as an example.
Do I need to post the whole comparison again or are you just going to cherry pick? And even the very few things you did pick, are not all better. You conveniently throw in ASA, who is more of a wash with TSA, in order to inflate the comparison.
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It's not better than Air Wisconsin. Using the numbers above, I do believe it is better than XJT. Those are contract numbers from ALPA. The TSA payrates for the Captains are $2-$4 (XJT) and $3-$6 (ASA) higher than yours. For FOs, it's not even worth comparing. If our contract is average, then so is yours.
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Your contract isn't better than xjt and air Wisconsin. So it's definitely not second best. Your contract is average.
Do I need to post the whole comparison again or are you just going to cherry pick? And even the very few things you did pick, are not all better. You conveniently throw in ASA, who is more of a wash with TSA, in order to inflate the comparison.
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Do I need to post the whole comparison again or are you just going to cherry pick? And even the very few things you did pick, are not all better. You conveniently throw in ASA, who is more of a wash with TSA, in order to inflate the comparison.
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Now, why would management lie about the one thing they are concerned most with? I could see them lying about us doing bad when we're doing good, but the inverse? What does it get them?
Whenever we fall below performance standards, we are told that we need to do a better job of getting out on-time. When we are told we are doing a good job with performance (like last month when we all got a bonus for all but AA completion factor), I believe we are doing pretty good. At least good enough that Hulas, the guy who is famously stingy when it comes to giving out free money, decides to give everyone a bonus.
Whenever we fall below performance standards, we are told that we need to do a better job of getting out on-time. When we are told we are doing a good job with performance (like last month when we all got a bonus for all but AA completion factor), I believe we are doing pretty good. At least good enough that Hulas, the guy who is famously stingy when it comes to giving out free money, decides to give everyone a bonus.
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You are literally just saying words. I'm not a company guy. I'm a fact guy and those are facts. I'm sorry that I don't live in a fantasy world like you do. If I was a company guy, I'd be blaming pilots for sick calls and on time performance. I'd be bargaining for concessions and condemning the actions of Mesa and RAH. Nope, you can check my history.
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Sorry, but most would agree that you are a company guy! Just look at most of your posts!
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Lots of pilots voted in favor of the extension. I'm voting no for PBS unless it sweetens the pot. Does that make me a company guy? Again, I will make more than anyone of my longevity at XJT even if they had made Captain.
Anybody on here commute from ORD to STL? It looks like there is a flight almost every hour, but don't know if it's always full or one can reasonably expect some seat availability.
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Yikes, that's not very good. I may have to rethink this plan. Do you think STL is the best place to go to fly left seat under the CQFO program?
Anybody on here commute from ORD to STL? It looks like there is a flight almost every hour, but don't know if it's always full or one can reasonably expect some seat availability.
Thanks.
Anybody on here commute from ORD to STL? It looks like there is a flight almost every hour, but don't know if it's always full or one can reasonably expect some seat availability.
Thanks.
Also, don't forget that the company is advertising an RDU domicile and I would estimate a solid chunk of AA flying gets shifted that way.
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