MavAv8r

And you get your old employee number back. So you got that going for you.

PeezDog

Why do you all even acknowledge Nevets? His a troll who is incapable of a rational thought and who thinks he is always right. I've had run ins with him on the xjt thread. Ignore him. He's nuts

Timma

Yep.. Glad I'm not the only one to see dilusion in HD when he posts!

JayHub

The company has just put the IPAD online trainer on comply along with the LIDO online trainer.

We've never had LIDOs here before.

Riverside

We had jepps

Nevets

It is not above average. Except for your commuter clause (if its unlimited) and your uniform reimbursement, everything else in your contract is average or below average. And the two things above average don't make up for all the below average items (401k, insurance cost sharing, sick accrual, etc). If anything, its just average.

I was just replying to my posts. The TSA contract is not above average. I've pointed out which items are above, which ones are average, and which ones are below.


I've explained this already. For example, if three regionals have insurance cost sharing of 0%, 25%, & 25%, and the 15 others are at 35%, then the average will be less than 35% (all 15 other regionals will be below average) and only those top three regionals will be above average.

But go ahead and make personal attacks on me if thats all you have. I know I came off as a tool but my only issue was with people saying the TSA contract is above average when its not.

Yes, thats the case. The top three are above average, the average ones are pretty close, and of course you have really bad ones out there at the bottom.

That's not what I was trying to say. My only beef was with people saying that the TSA contract is above average. The Horizon, awac, and xjt contracts are the only ones above average. TSA would be right in the mix with the average ones.

I dont think we will ever see a regional contract that is phenomenal. But if the top three contracts are above average and all the rest are not, TSA is not above average.

CBreezy

You're Expressjet, right? I've talked to my buddy at XJT and we talked about our contract. Here is how your contracts compares to ours.

We have better pay rates for current aircraft.
We have the same DH pay.
We have almost identical vacation accrual.
We get paid more for training.
We get paid more in initial.
We get the same premium pay.
We have the same guarentee
We get 10 cents less in per diem but in August, that goes to equal
We don't have rigs.

So if the XJT contract is so superior, why does the TSA contract have so many areas that are better or equal to XJT?

MavAv8r

Thank you. I would like to see a set list of terms that this guy deems average. What's average first year pay, etc in his book? You can't just say this is what these guys have, wave your wand and declare this or that contract is above/below average. Draw the line, what is he basing this crap off of, because all I've seen is gum flapping.

Just because someone has a 12 inch.... Doesn't mean everything below that is below average.... Fitting analogy since he seems so keen on whipping out and measuring errrr contracts...

Nevets

XJT has much higher 401k matching and on top of that there is the company contribution; lower insurance cost sharing at 25%. Just those two items ALONE makes the xjt contract above average and better than the TSA contract. Xjt has better LTD, OJI bank, vacation accrual, sick accrual, attendance policy and commuter policy (unlimited), premium pay up to 200%, vacation pay rates, all lineholdes have 12 days off minimum, 4 hours of ready reserve for 4 hours of pay and I'm pretty positive that most of the reserve rules are better as well. Even the worst part of our contract, min day pay, is better.

But to your defense Breezy, you might have been talking to an ASA guy. They have rigs, the ERJ contract doesn't.

Here is a link to an old thread that shows a lot of detail contract comparisons of a few regionals, xjt included.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...tml#post716538

CBreezy

I don't think anyone is arguing that it's a better contract.

TSA has almost has the same vacation accrual and, in fact, gets the second increase faster than XJT.

TSA can get 200% premium pay for critical staffing with 150% for all other premium pickups.

TSA has min day (4 for reserve, 5 for airport) and you're right, there is no other min day. They also have 100% leg-by-leg cancelation pay.

Again, you can't just waive your above average wand. So, in your mind, having good insurance and 401(k) matching makes your contract above average and everyone else's below? That's not how averaging works. You have to take a whole picture. No one is saying there aren't parts of the TSA contract that are below average. Every single TSA pilot would like gains in retirement, insurance, and who doesn't want a min day. The rest of the contract is pretty dang good. It matches your above average contract, and in areas, surpasses it. Just because you weight your insurance and 401(k) at 99 out of 100 doesn't mean everyone else does.

On a last note, you can't use a thread from 2007 to prove your point, especially since the TSA contract was signed in the second decade of the 2000s.