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08-30-2015, 06:19 AM
#9401
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
The other interesting thing about this TA is all the great improvements are for people that can't even vote on it they are all on probation. For the people off probation, there are very few that will see pay raises, the vast majority will not. The only other financial inducement, the bonus, is pathetic. The improvements in 401K, medical, and other areas are nice, but not that great.
Because of this this could be a very close vote. What I am hearing from people that can vote on it is mostly negative.
Because of this this could be a very close vote. What I am hearing from people that can vote on it is mostly negative.
08-30-2015, 06:36 AM
#9402
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Could anyone post the specific improvements? Bullet points or something.
08-30-2015, 06:46 AM
#9403
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Honestly, there just isn't enough incentive for me to vote for this. I'm voting this down. As Centerline said, there is a better deal behind this. We have the leverage here.
08-30-2015, 06:49 AM
#9404
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Originally Posted by Coneydog
Honestly, there just isn't enough incentive for me to vote for this. I'm voting this down. As Centerline said, there is a better deal behind this. We have the leverage here.
08-30-2015, 07:52 AM
#9405
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Originally Posted by Coneydog
Honestly, there just isn't enough incentive for me to vote for this. I'm voting this down. As Centerline said, there is a better deal behind this. We have the leverage here.
Assuming the current hiring trend continues, if this gets voted down, all Captains on property won't see another pay raise, health care improvement, 401k improvement, or min day until they get hired at a major carrier...if this company remains solvent for that long.
This is an extension, not a new contract. If you wanted a new contract, you should've let your MEC know. This is really your fault.
08-30-2015, 07:56 AM
#9406
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
The same leverage that Envoy, PSA, and PDT had when they voted in a 12/4 payscale? Or how about Envoy not getting COLA raises? What about Mesa, AWAC, and RAH's leverage in being in negotiations for the past 5-8 years.
Assuming the current hiring trend continues, if this gets voted down, all Captains on property won't see another pay raise, health care improvement, 401k improvement, or min day until they get hired at a major carrier...if this company remains solvent for that long.
This is an extension, not a new contract. If you wanted a new contract, you should've let your MEC know. This is really your fault.
Assuming the current hiring trend continues, if this gets voted down, all Captains on property won't see another pay raise, health care improvement, 401k improvement, or min day until they get hired at a major carrier...if this company remains solvent for that long.
This is an extension, not a new contract. If you wanted a new contract, you should've let your MEC know. This is really your fault.
08-30-2015, 08:07 AM
#9407
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Originally Posted by Coneydog
Are you sure you're not management?
08-30-2015, 08:08 AM
#9408
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Originally Posted by knobcrk
Dude you can't help it can you? This extension is not that good. If this gets voted down, it will just put more pressure on management. Last thing they need is unhappy pilots right now. By the way, what's the difference if it gets voted down? We barely lose anything! 2000 dollars? 2 more hours of airport reserve? I'm thinking No too.
08-30-2015, 08:20 AM
#9409
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Originally Posted by knobcrk
I have the excel before and after in front of me. They are very minor improvements.
08-30-2015, 08:27 AM
#9410
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Burn man. Yep. I'm from management telling everyone to vote no for PBS unless they get a min day or RIG with PBS. I'm just not an idiot who said they wanted an extension with minimal gains and is now all huffy that those gains didn't include Jet Blue rates.
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